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Do you believe that we in Ireland are now richer than those in the UK?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭itsacoolday


    No Irish minister has ever said we pay the British to protect our airspace, do not be stupid.

    https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/irish-airspace-and-waters-remain-europes-open-flank



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Russia has made little enough progress in overcoming Ukraine in almost 3 years, and it is right next door. Their chances of overcoming the UK isn't great, although I suppose they could vaporise some of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I am anyways. Sure I'm a billionaire. Can't speak for the rest of ye plebs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    The days of the aristocracy leeching from the colonies are over. "Their own" are the only remaining option available to bleed dry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭nearby_cheetah


    I looked online but can't find a source. I remember it was said long time ago on RTE news or Prime Time, one of those type shows.

    It's more than likely the Irish Government pay something towards it but aren't making the details public.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭itsacoolday


    You sure you were not dreaming it? I think if the Irish taxpayer here was paying the armed forces of Her or His Majesties Government it would have leaked by now. Maybe you think we bought a plane for them or a few guns for their paras to help them defend us, or an auld ship, when our own forces are run on a shoestring? Dream on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Quite the opposite. Russia would last a couple of days if they attacked the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭nearby_cheetah


    The Irish is paying the UK in lots of ways, funding colleges and roads in the North. Donegal County Council pay Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue when they attend Donegal incidents.

    It's more than likely the RAF are paid something to be on standby from the Irish Government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭itsacoolday


    The UK spends something like £54.2 billion per year (that is over 60,000,000,000.00 euro ) on defence each year. You seem to think we contribute towards that but you have no idea if it is €100, a thousand or ten thousand or more. If you are making a claim please find somewhere online to back it up. I'm sure a certain party here would get very upset and create a lot of noise it we were in fact contributing to H.M. armed forces, so your claim is hard to believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I doubt the average Joe Soap which is probably most of us on here would be any better off than our neighbours across the pond.

    It cost us more to buy booze, fill the car with fuel and unless someone has a medical or GP card we hand over between 50 and 60 quid when we have to go to the doctor.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I don't know if the Government pays the Brits or not and it will probaby never be made public anyway if they do but its a sad state of affairs that we don't even have one fighter plane to patrol our own airspace.

    We throw hundreds of millions every year at tin pot corrupt countries in so called overseas aid but spend diddly squat on our own defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭yagan


    There's no denying that booze is cheaper there but for the years I traveled back and forth I found my usual lidl/Aldi shop about the same, but my Irish wage was almost double the same job in England.

    Our move there was for was my wife's specialist career but once she'd finished that requirement we werent hanging around.

    I really don't think people in Ireland or in London can comprehend how poor most of England is now.

    Their only consolation seems to be cheap booze, echos Yeltsin's keeping the populace sozzeled during the economic shock therapy years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,118 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    David McWilliams I think might be the first high profile economist to say the quiet part out loud about the situation the UK is in with the public finances. He thinks it's quite likely they'll have to enter an IMF program within the next couple of years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭Doc07


    remove the rich parts of London and Dublin from the equation and the average Irish are an order of magnitude better off than their UK counterparts. There are of course small pockets of serious social deprivation in parts of Dublin, Limerick , Cork etc but that pales in comparison to the large areas of north and west of England , poverty we just don’t see in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭cbreeze


    London is a whole different country from the rest of the UK. In the summer I dropped in for a night on the way home from Italy. I caught the Stansted express and changed at Tottenham Hale to get the underground. There were shocking scenes of deprivation and filth. Elderly people searching through bins, a tent in front of the station with a middle aged man half out of it lying among a litter of take away cartons while starlings helped themselves to the leftovers and the whole area heavily littered. It was an eye opener for me and I couldn't get away fast enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Did the hidden inferiority complex cause this discussion.Comparing wealth by social class puts the uk well ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 873 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I don't get the "London is whole different from the rest of the country"

    As far as I can see you are making the point Tottenham (London) was a kip.

    How is therefore different from the rest of the country?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,700 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭yagan


    We might think tottingham is a kip but people from there might think Burnley is a kip in comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Randycove


    I swear people on here think Ireland is just like the Failte Ireland brochure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭yagan


    What we take for granted is still amazing to others. It took three years of living in desolate outback Australia to really appreciate how restorative and beautiful the greenery we have is.

    Plus another thing I took for granted in the past is actually how colourful our towns can be, even if they're a bit run down compared to the uniform red brick of industrial Britain. There's whole new apartment blocks all around Britain that had to use red brick so as to not upset the industrial heritage look!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭crusd


    I have an uncle, now passed, and cousins, in a mid sized town about an hour from London. I was there a few times in my teens and early 20's - mid to late 90's and early 2000's. What struck me on those visits was how ahead and vibrant everything seemed compared to Ireland. Everything was brighter, cleaner. Restaurants and bars were well done up (Pubs were and are **** compared to Irish pubs, but at least they looked the part).

    I wasn't back there again until 2022 for my uncles funeral and what struck me was how grim it now looks. Everything is jaded. Discount stores everywhere. The streets were grim, the houses were grim and it just had a vibe of decay. I though maybe it was the vibe of a funeral that changed my outlook but was back and visited cousins again last year when we went to Legoland and Harry Potter world. The destination events like those are great, and also the historical sites. But it is a veneer. But the towns, the hotels and everything still has that feeling of decay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    David McWilliams shouldn't be throwing stones in glasshouses.

    If it wasn't for our corporation tax racket, Ireland wouldn't be in any better of a position than the UK. Ireland collected €28bn in corporation tax last year while the UK collected €111bn. They collected about 4x more than us, but they have a population that is 13x larger.

    If the rest of the world were to ever force a halt to the racket we've got going on, it'd be Ireland that was in need of IMF assistance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭yagan


    The UK had an IMF bailout in 1976.

    Anyhow the new CTR deal is actually converging countries towards a common rate of 15%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Randycove


    colourful and fragrant. That’s certainly the phrases that spring to mind when I’m stepping over sleeping bags and trying not to choke on the smell of piss and vomit when I walk to the office from Connolly station.

    Our countryside is beautiful, I love my spin around the Dublin and Wicklow mountains, it is stunning, but get out of the towns and cities in England and they have some equally stunning countryside and venture into wales and Scotland and you really get into the “breathtaking” area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭yagan


    Scotland is incredible, but it's hard to ignore the urban decay when you're arrive in English towns and cities that feel like Connelly station! Wales has really rough spots too, proper in your face poverty.

    I think the whole north inner city Dublin feels like a depressed English city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭thereiver


    The UK economy is in decline Brexit was a mistake it makes it expensive and complicated for companys to trade with eu country's . Local council are having to cut back on basic services because they are short of money The labour governments policy is to talk about growth by lossening up regulations on planning and building and announcing a new runway .it takes 10 years to build a runway which is financed partly by extra tax's on airlines . The eu is in decline it's trying to compete with China who can make cheap electric cars .china has announced a new free deepseek ai app which is free . Brexit has damaged the UK economy while not stopping 1000s of illegal migrants from arriving on boats . Ireland is booming because we have an open economy in the eu with close ties to American tech company's .

    London is doing ok because theres a lot of rich people living there and it has the financial industry . The problem with raising tax's is it encourages rich people to leave the UK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭yagan


    The rich in the UK never did pay taxes. The problem is regardless of what the rate is the UK has loads of loopholes for those who want to offshore their income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Yes theres loads of loopholes to avoid paying tax,s but the rich spend money in cafes restaurants and they employ people who pay tax on their salarys



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,823 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So does everyone else. Trickle-down effect is not real.



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