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Leg broke off chair

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    I dont care what anyone says, 3 years for a €1200 set of chairs is shocking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭kirving


    Things you buy should last a "reasonable" length of time. I think that would be assessed by the SCC as a €1200 purchase, rather then a €200 purchase (for just one). I think you'd have a good case looking at the failure mode.

    The recourse here is really dependent on whether any injuries were sustained I would think.

    You still have 11 other front chair legs. If your father was seriously injured, you could have the remaining legs tested to see what force they can stand up to. Just because it lasted three years is absolutely no guarantee that it wasn't a design or manufacturing fault.

    There is science behind this - chairs should comply with the EN 12520:2015 standard I believe. It would be up to you (a forensic engineer, really) to try and prove non-compliance with the applicable standard. Not worth your while for a 200 quid chair, but definitely would be if there was compensation on the line.

    https://furnitest.com/testing/furniture-testing/types-of-furniture/chair-testing/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭JVince


    I still assert that a beak like that is cause by someone going up on the front two legs. Its a snap of the wood. The dowel is still intact. It was most likely caused by mis-use.

    Frankly, the OP hasn't a leg to stand on (couldn't resist)

    Of course you will get posters claiming this that and the other - quoting all sorts of crap and even quoting furniture design standards. But that break is, from the 3 photos, quite obviously caused by exertion on the front legs and that is most likely due to someone going up on the front two legs of the chair. That's mis-use and the scc will not find in your favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Orban6


    Leg lasted 3 years without issue. Unlikely a manufacturing fault.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If you were to read the OP, the chair got minimal use in those three years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Orban6


    I did read the OP. They said they were used "moderately". Not "minimal use" as you state. What does moderately mean? Once a week, several times a week or once a month?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,122 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Any chance you can explain how someone can "go up on the front too legs" with sufficient force to break one of them?

    I've dealt with a lot of abused chair legs in my time, and it's always the back legs that suffer, because it's damn near impossible to "mis-use" the chair and over-stress the joint to breaking point … unless you're whirling it around and smashing it against the wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Modern central heated houses could be a factor here? Is it possible the wood dried out so much that the joint started to open up a little before it finally broke.

    Another vote for not abuse if its the front leg(s), back legs sure abuse but not the front.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,387 ✭✭✭emo72


    Someone mentioned they were rubber wood. I'm pretty sure they are oak, I work with timber. 200 per chair, is not overly expensive nowadays, it's probably below the going rate. A lot of chairs are 300 or 400 each these days. No, I wouldn't pay that much for a chair either. I think people think that 100 euro is expensive for a chair. Inflationary times we live in I guess. Dining chairs get some amount of abuse because they are getting used and moved around a lot. The tables generally last forever. They aren't getting sat on and moved around!

    OP, I have sympathy for you, you didn't do a lot wrong, I'm sure if the shop had the same chair they might have changed it for you to make the problem go away. At the very least sell one to you at cost price, but I wouldn't even say that's an option, furniture is like fast fashion, changes quite a lot. SCC? After 3 years it's a long shot, I can't really see a manufacturing problem. Best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭standardg60


    JV is correct, the leg broke backwards so was either up on two legs or being shuffled forwards at the time.

    That doesn't take away from the fact there was an inherent weakness in that leg, it should have been able to withstand that, the other leg didn't break.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,122 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Sure, we can all see the direction of force applied to cause the break. What I'm asking is how someone could apply such force just by sitting on the chair? It's easy enough to do that to the back legs if you lean back aggressively, but due to the very nature of a chair's design and our human form, it's incredibly difficult to achieve the same result with a front leg.

    You'd have to have a second person push the first person (heavy, and sitting on the chair) forwards; or smash the empty chair forwards into the leg of the table or some other obstacle.

    To me, that looks like the father sat himself down and went to pull himself in towards the table when the leg broke. That'd be well within the scope of normal use and points towards a pre-existing defect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Doodah7


    Who is not to say that they didn't shuffle forward (to get closer to the table) whilst sitting on the chair? That could explain the front leg breaking in the particular direction?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Looks like the glue has failed, both on the tenon and the mitre cut, I don't think it's a suitable joint for a chair leg and having to put a dowel through it tells me they were not trusting the glue to hold it, the short grain in the rail was never going to take much pressure once the glue had failed. It's Oak timber



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