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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭DC999


    I've panels on an almost flat roof. Maybe 15% pitch. The rails are secured into the rafters below it. Fine for the last 3 winters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭sekond


    I've been told that because the roof is fiberglass, they don't attach them to the rafters, as it would compromise it - so there is a special flat roof mount that is purely weighted down - which seems to me to be a bit risky.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,050 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    But if the roof is fibreglass, it wouldn't take the weight of ballast based mounts either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭sekond


    Hmmmm… the companies didn't seem to think there was a problem with weight. I clearly misunderstood something and need to ask some more detailed questions.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Installers are woeful, you can see here loads of people say they just had an install and problem X etc. I would not trust any of them as they disappear after install into the mist



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 martinbhoy


    Hi folks,

    Apologies in advance if I’m taking this topic off on a tangent - couldn’t find a thread that matched my particular issue.

    So my heart is broke trying to get up and running with solar.

    We went all out when the new roof went on and put nearly 10kw of panels up…a year ago.

    They’re still wired into the shunt and no further. I have no idea what kind of condition they’ll be in now.

    Went for an enhanced single phase 29kva connection to house and I sourced a 10.5kw FoxEss hybrid inverter (KH-series) and around 10kw of battery to suit.
    Thought I was doing a good thing, done enough research on suppliers, equipment specs etc.

    Clearly I was wrong…

    Plan was to run the DC cables to our garage which needed wired up (mini fuse board and 16sq SWA cables) so trying to get that job complete delayed things significantly - but now I just can’t get anyone willing to connect up the system.

    On top of that the NC7 is in progress of sorts (having a hard time locating the type test cert I keep getting referred to a G99 cert), but it looks like the initial feedback from ESB is - you have an enhanced MIC, so you might expect the MEC to be higher - however the area I’m in has a high level of export already…so it could be limited to 6kw anyway.

    It’s alternating between pulling teeth and getting a kick in the teeth, the complexity for what I thought should be a relatively straightforward exercise is nuts.

    If I pay the extra €1k for the NC7 tech assessment on top of the extra paid for the enhanced connection, only to be told max I can get is the equivalent to an NC6 on a standard single phase connection: I’ll be disappointed (to put it mildly)…but at this stage I just want to get the system hooked up and can’t understand the reluctance from installers?

    I’ve already made it clear, I’ll deal with the NC7 and I don’t expect the installers to be responsible beyond wiring/connecting the unit competently and that the setup and settings are my problem - but no bites.

    Feels like if the guys installing aren’t supplying the equipment there’s very little interest.

    So, last hope before I blow myself up: does anyone know of anyone around the Tipperary area who might be willing to connect up my panels to the inverter and battery in my garage (even ones who might disappear into the mist!)


    *Added to that if anyone has a link for a central data base for where type test certificates are registered that would also be very helpful!

    Thanks…and apologies for the long and rambling first post!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭idc


    One part of your post I don't understand, you mention you are dealing with the NC7 form but then want an electrician to install it? The NC7 form requires a safe electric registered electrician to sign NC7 form? So can you sort that out without one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    As a former contractor there's no way I'd take this on.

    There's enough work out there without taking on this sort of risk, for what? A couple of hundred euro? You should've engaged the services of a competent electrician prior to doing any work yourself.

    In theory, you have started the job and another contractor is not allowed to complete it without engagement with Safe Electric.

    I spend enough time worrying about projects I have had complete control over from start to finish, without taking on some DIY install.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,942 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Harsh, but true. 😀

    The problem is that the job is pre-loaded and it comes across as a bit of a minefield. It's not an easy sell to a jobbing RECI, it's more like a sit-down-and-have-a-long-coffee-and-chat type, if you get my drift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭JohnySwan




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 martinbhoy


    Apologies, maybe that’s not clear in the post - I haven’t done any electrical work myself (not my game) all the wiring to date has been done by sparks and is signed off by safe electric; however, our sparks aren’t involved in doing solar (they’re currently going through the course… and at this rate I’ll probably need to wait for them to get the job done!)


    The panels themselves and the shunt were fitted by a local solar company that my builder knew, as the roof went up, but now months down the line, that particular company are not interested in connecting up the inverter in our newly wired garage (after they gave the direction and details of what cables etc were needing run to garage’s mini fuse board and back to main) - if it isn’t Solis kit they themselves supply and fit.
    Wasn’t very happy about that as I’d thought I’d made it clear I had this specific system to fit, but anyway it is what it is. I’m now just looking for someone to put the final pieces together.

    In answer to the other question - the NC7 can be completed by the homeowner with an electrician down as a consultant; our electrician who wired house and garage is currently down as our consultant.
    It seems the NC6 /NC7 forms typically get completed by installers as part of the package - I’d just like to have that particular box ticked off so whoever eventually installs it can do the work knowing the NC7 is at least prior approved.

    A further update is I today received the type test cert and just waiting on ELS declaration form to come back and NC7 should be good to re-submit.


    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 martinbhoy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 martinbhoy


    😂 fair enough, I need a coffee just trying to get through typing it!

    It’s definitely one of those “easier if I just show you and let you have a look at it yourself” types.

    I can’t even get that far as I can tell I’m losing people when I try to explain over the phone - I never thought that some people might even think I’d have done the wiring myself…think I need to make that clearer!

    The sparks on the job were quality, meticulous actually - just hard to get back to finish the garage!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Ah sorry, my mistake then.

    It's a really tough sell even though no wiring has been done, most installers only want to fit their chosen products, very hard to stand over a product that they're not familiar with.

    Have you tried putting up a post on the facebook Irish solar page? Some very helpful installers on it that might be able to help.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/irishsolarownersgroup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 martinbhoy


    That’s definitely the vibe I was getting from a lot of installers; in that they like their own systems/brands to deal with.

    I’ve posted a few times on the Facebook page and no joy, tried to make it clear I only wanted labour and would take responsibility for the set-up myself…but if people reading the posts also got the vibe I wired up stuff myself then fair enough - I wouldn’t go near it either if I was an installer!

    I might be in luck - someone got back to me. coming to have a look at the job next week, fingers crossed they feel they can sort it for me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Great, I hate to see someone stuck.

    If it comes to nothing, keep trying, you'll find someone eventually. Just make it clear you're not going to drive them mental with technical support, because that's where the reluctance stems from in your situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Hi folks, inverter Rcbo tripping since Friday. Reset yesterday after few attempts but tripping again today. Might be water ingress on wires after the storm. Ill be onto the installer tomorrow. It's happened few times over the last 18 months. They did swap out the Rcbo for a different one as it was happening more frequently and that definitely helped but didn't eliminate completely. They also checked all wiring and connectors on the roof. Would grid fluctuations cause it to trip?

    Cheers

    Mick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,942 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭micks_address


    They changed the original which was 25 to this which I think is 30?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Tried resetting it few times today now. Stays on about a minute and the invertor makes a clunk noise and trips again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    You may need to get changed again to a 100ma. You can see the earth fault indicator is on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Reset again and it seems to be holding this time. Coincidentally or not the day has started to brighten up a bit, still some moisture in the air



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Eleusis


    Could it possibly be the quality of mains power after the storm? Maybe low voltage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    It's an earth fault as indicated by the Rcbo.

    Great that it reset for you, I'd be planning to replace it with a 100ma, an hour for a spark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭micks_address


    I could get that done by a separate electrician but would it be an issue with warranty on the inverter if anything went wrong? I can suggest that to the installer to see what they would do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,116 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    No issue on warranty. Reg's were changed to address this as per post below.

    As I commented on the thread I replaced mine and not a single issue since even during the last two weather events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭micks_address




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,116 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Thanks I'll wait and see what the installers say today. They have known about it for a while and we're due to arrange another call out anyway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    Wesco have 100mA Garo ones in stock, I got some in the last week.



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