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Satnav based speed camera detection illegal?

  • 20-01-2025 03:25PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,549 ✭✭✭✭


    So, I've recently got a new Kia Niro EV, and going through the options in the infotainment/satnav system there's a section to enable Speed Camera Alerts, only it's greyed out and can't be enabled. My old car, also a Kia, had this feature and it worked.

    Making enquiries on a UK based Kia users forum, someone sent a link from the RAC website claiming that such things were illegal in Ireland, although I can find nothing elsewhere to support this claim.

    So, what's the story, illegal or not?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    My understanding is yes, it's illegal.

    Interestingly, Google Maps through Android Auto sometimes shows the locations of speed cameras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    Google acquired/merged with Maze a few years ago, so they are implementing some of those features now. Previously, they would only been seen on Waze.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,152 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I'd say Google simply haven't realised!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,549 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    I should add that, on my old car at least, it was pretty much limited to warning about the publicly available speed camera zones that were published on the AGS website, so nothing that wasn't available anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    If only there was some search engine available to tell them😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,778 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Which are we talking about here….

    1. An alert telling you that you are entering an area which (according to the AGS website) is being monitored more than average for speeding. I can't see how this would be illegal since these areas used to be indicated with speed camera signs and are shown on the Garda website in multiple formats here …. https://www.garda.ie/gosafe.html But the roadside signs have not been updated in recent years - the zone in my area was expanded a few years ago but the signs showing the boundaries of the original zone are still there and they never installed signs to show the boundaries of the expanded zone.
    2. An alert telling you that you are entering an area where someone who is using the same service/app as you has manually alerted the app to say they saw a speed camera. You tap the screen when you see a speed camera and one of the options on the popup menu is 'report speed camera'.

    I pay Tom Tom an annual subscription for their Tom Tom GO app which does both.

    Edit: I just read post #5 in which the OP makes it clear that it's option 1 we're talking about.

    Post edited by coylemj on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭sundodger5


    Following a day in court many moons ago. The Road Traffic Regulations (Speed Meter Detectors) is the law.
    Section 3

    In these Regulations, "speed meter detector" means any device which is capable of being used to indicate the existence of, or to frustrate the operation of, electronic or other apparatus being used to give indications from which the speed at which a person was driving can be inferred.

    So not just a good old radar detector of old, kinda covers anything really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,306 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    OP, its only telling you that you are entering a zone where there may be a speed camera. Most of the time there won't even be a speed camera when you get an alert. Its not actually a device thats actively scanning for speed cameras.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,778 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Those regulations were originally formulated to outlaw gadgets which could detect the signal from a speed camera. But the definition is far too broad and would appear to include any device which can warn you that there may be speed cameras in the area.

    I think the state would have an uphill battle to get a conviction where someone was simply relying on the published data and had it on their phone. It wouldn't be much different to telling your front seat passenger to warn you when they saw a roadside speed camera sign. Even if a lot of them are now out of date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,549 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Yes, I know that, that's the way it worked on the old car, and I only used it briefly before turning it off as it was just annoying. My query was more to try and ascertain if the reason I couldn't enable it on the new car was due to a software issue, or whether there really was a law against it as I was informed over on the UK Kia forum.

    I'd always known that radar detectors were illegal here but I was a bit sceptical about GPS based warnings being illegal seeing as they were allowed on the old car, that's all.

    Maybe Kia are just being ultra cautious or something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭sundodger5


    I agree, But like a lot of these laws to challenge it takes cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    I have an old Garmin sat nav that warns of speed camera zones. In France, when I used it there, it gave a very similar warning for a dangerous section of road, because it's most definitely illegal to warn about speed camera zones in France.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Not illegal, the speed camera zones are freely published and available online. They are also signposted. Your satnav isn't "detecting" a speed camera. It's just telling you when you're in an enforcement zone.

    The purpose of the legislation was to prevent radar detectors/jammers being used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,447 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I got an alert on Google maps when driving recently of a mobile speed camera that I was approaching - I reckon someone updated Google maps live as it was bang on - can’t remember the wording of the spoken message but it was something like speed camera 1km ahead or something like that - first and only time I got such a message



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I've gotten it a few times. The other alert I sometimes see is for a 'stalled car'.

    These do seem to be manually added by other users, I'm just not sure how.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭mikeecho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,549 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    You can also add them from Google maps now, at least in the Android Auto version. There's a little yellow triangle with a ! on the right hand part of the screen. If you tap that a pop up comes up asking you what kind of warning you want to enter.

    EDIT: Just looked on the normal Google maps and it's there bottom right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,447 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    iPhone users too - you just reminded me I got a confirmation ask from Google maps for a stalled car on a motorway over the last week - someone must have reported it and then since it knew I was approaching it asked me to verify it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    That must be new, I've only used Waze for a while.

    Last year I reported a traffic accident/ blocked road after I'd done a u turn, and I was almost 1km away when I reported it on Waze.. Google maps then reported the crash exactly where I had reported it on Waze.

    (The 1km didn't make a difference, when there was a 3km backlog)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,996 ✭✭✭User1998


    Google owns Waze, and have started implementing Waze features to Google Maps recently



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,045 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    If you start using Waze you'll get a lot more alerts, especially useful around flooding, weather, hazards etc. With the wind due this weekend it could be essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    I got a warning of a Garda car ahead on Google Maps. It said it was reported by Waze users and asked me if it was still there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭watchclocker


    These are the options on reporting a hazard on Google maps (android)

    It will pop up with something along the lines of "other users have reported a <mobile speed camera> ahead, is it still there?" And you'll have about 60 seconds to tap yes/no

    Screenshot_20250122_072833_Maps.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,447 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    never heard of it till this thread - thanks I’ll take a look



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,447 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Already some folk aren’t happy with these alerts - campaign on now to ban them.

    Well sorry but I don’t agree- there’s far more benefits to be had from getting all sorts of alerts such as accident, flood alerts etc than there are downsides in terms of drivers warned of a mobile speed ATM machine ahead.

    My only concern is that people don’t submit an incident whilst driving or that they don’t respond to alerts to confirm the incident, whilst driving . I’m sick of nanny state - we have enough apps and cameras and what not spying on us as it is - let’s use this technology for our benefit for a change


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41558860.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,976 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Silly move. Slowing people down is never a bad thing. I say this as somebody who sometimes flashes my lights even when there's no speed van behind me. Just the kinda guy I am



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭watchclocker


    It's one thing warning people about speed cameras, the point of which are to slow people down

    It's another thing warning people about a drink/drug checkpoint



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,447 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Something I’d never do - and in fairness, the drink checkpoints I’ve seen through the years, where they’re positioned, there’s no real way of warning people (if that’s what you’re into) - I guess if Google continue allowing warnings on a range of areas, to be uploaded or whatever way it works, it will be hard to avoid people being warned in advance

    Gardai tend to have these checkpoints at places where it’s very hard to turn around (and have chaser cars/bikes at the ready anyway) - they also tend to have the checkpoints at the same places - so if you’re local you’ll know where those places are-so if not Google maps, WhatsApp will certainly be active

    We can’t be making laws every time some new technological function comes along that could assist with evasion of checkpoints etc - realistically if you have an app on your phone that can provide you with semi- accurate information on what’s up on the road ahead, there will be very little anyone can do.

    I hate the thoughts of drink/drug driving - but I don’t like nanny state either - more policing more checks higher penalties - but even then, there will always be a sector of society that will break these rules



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,326 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I believe the speed camera zone ahead signs are no longer required and have been removed in many areas. There is still a list of zones on the garda website and they also say they may be elsewhere example roadworks or special events. The old sign and website was mostly due to AA campaigning along with high Viz (non reflective) stickers on the van. They get paid by the hour with the idea they are not there to generate profit, instead to enforce the limit at known dangerous locations, but over time they removed the sign requirement.



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