Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Would make you sick, people who are bypassing the visa system, and abusing the asylum process, and we're gifting these scammers Irish citizenship.

Apparently the Chinese built a huge hospital in a mere 10 days during the COVID.

This may be unrealistic but read on.

If that team put a proposal in front of me saying they'd put reclaimed land around Dublin and build a new city to house a million with a quota for Irish and foreigners I'd turn them down.

It's not about housing and resources for me.

If there was loads of housing and a health care system well below capacity it would still not justify the Irish becoming a minority in Ireland.

This can not become a mishmash of the entire globe, a sort of UN or something.

The insanity that has been allowed to happen is mind boggling. How anyone can defend this is beyond me

The Independents in with the Government and same in the opposition against, how is baffling, no one in Government should be a landlord, either to an individual or groups, how many in Government are profiting from IPAs with accommodation

Michael Healy-Rae’s annual declaration shows he is the largest property owner in the Dáil, listing 25 different entries including rental properties he owned, including houses and apartments with a number of them vacant, farmland, a service station and a B&B

How many landlords and property owners are in the Dáil? – The Irish Times

One of the cornerstones of immigration policy in Ireland is that no limit is ever mentioned.

This goes for discussion on the subject as well.

Ask any pro-immigration poster on here what number they think is reasonable each year, or over 10 years or whatever. They will never answer, it is a point of principle that they will never give a number.

The only possible reason for that of course, is that there is no limit.

They scoff at the mention of open borders, but in the absence of a limit, what we have is effectively open borders.

A few years ago, Dan Boyle, Joe Gill, Danny McCoy, Barry Andrews, and several others put out media pieces to "discredit" the notion that we were taking too many immigrants by postulating that we could achieve the same population density as the Netherlands by taking in many millions of immigrants (none of them ever seemed to ponder whether this would be a good thing, or why we would want to do it in the first place). Since many of these pieces were published at around the same time, and used similar language and statistics, it is safe to say it was a planned PR campaign, and was, or is, long term government (or civil service) policy. There's been nothing about it since, as it went down like a lead balloon, but it gives you a good idea of the direction we are headed.

By Dan Boyles calculation, we could easily handle a population of 45 million. Wouldn't that be wonderful.

Yep. It's an observation I've made before.

Very high emigration of young gifted Irish.

Very high immigration with no checks or controls of the calibre of immigrants.

It is replacement. That's no conspiracy.

The only question is whether it is a planned policy or something that happened organically

Where are ye getting yer information from?

Of the 69,900 emigrants, 34,700 were Irish citizens in the year to April 2024. With a total of 30,000 returning Irish citizens, there is a net outward migration of Irish citizens (-4,700 people) in the 12 months to April 2024.

Your post doesn't make sense to me ,rg . But thanks for the tone of it .

It doesn't address what I said and in fact the last half of it should be addressed to someone else I think , as I made no mention of housing nor did I provide a link to anything in my post ?!

It depends on your income there's plenty of cheap houses in rural areas people can now work from home the social contract is broken eg you can be in a good job but you may be paying a ridiculous amount to rent a small flat or a house share

Seriously ?

I wrote a complete post in reply to you which you gave me a jumbled up reply mixing my post with someone else and you are asking me to write something else now ? !

I have other things to do ..

150k moved here in 12 months, we'll get to the bottom of this housing crisis yet folks!

58% of those moving here were from outside the eu- saw a graph recently from Denmark iirc that charted to costs of immigrants to Denmark. Those from US and western Europe were positive, eastern Europe broke evenish n outside Europe cost a fortune. We are on a hiding to nothing methinks.

The numbers are way too high, any honest person can see and accept that. Very juvenile from Richmond, one would hope the Government doesn't continue to put its head in the sand, but I suppose that is what is most likely.

Good infographic from the CSO:

In the bottom right-hand corner we can see that despite very strong net inward migration generally, there overall net outward migration of Irish citizens.

Why are Irish people leaving Ireland when things are supposedly very good here? This is something the advocates of unlimited immigration fail to address repeatedly.

Net outward migration is -4,700.

Why are Irish people leaving Ireland when things are supposedly very good here?

Sorry do you think all the Irish people who are emigrating are doing so because they have to and none of them are emigrating because they want to?

Have another look at the infographic. There's positive net outward migration of Irish citizens.

As to your other point, commonly cited reasons for leaving are indeed the cost of housing, which is not helped by the overall high levels of inward migration by other nationalities.