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Roads budget with the new gov

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  • #92
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Your first paragraph suggests that the Green Party set a random target knowing they wouldn't have to deal with it which isn't true. They didnt run away, they were voted out. They would have fully intended returning to government to continue this push.

    I was referring to Leo Varadkar and his Cabinet back in 2019 when this was started.



  • #93
    Westernview
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061339#Comment_123061339

    The PfG can mention it as many time as it wants. I refer to my last reply to marno. Changing everyone over to EVs is what the Greens wanted but it won't be enough be enough without public transport investment. With an increasing population is only getting is only going to get worse. As I said I look forward to seeing it all done..rails, roads, houses but it's a huge challenge. The glib comment from the government spokesman that there will be less cycle lanes thats for sure this week was unnecessary but worrying. Sounds like road works are set to dominate again.



  • #94
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061380#Comment_123061380

    re: your last line. Sounds like you need to properly read the Programme for Government.

    The spokesperson speaking about bike lanes was playing to the crowd and signalling a shift from the previous do nothing DoT where not a whole pile except bike lanes were actually delivered. Roads or PT.



  • #95
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,751 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061380#Comment_123061380

    Try actually reading the PfG. Transport starts on page 75.

    And it wasn't a government spokesman. It was a single TD spouting to a journalist.



  • #96
    Westernview
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061392#Comment_123061392

    Maybe a little less playing to the crowd and more explanation on what they are actually planning would be better for all concerned.

    Anyway I think we all want to see it all done. The new PfG will tell a lot.



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  • #97
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Reducing the EV grant isn't the cause of the sales dip. The UK has had no grants for a long time, and its EV sales fell too. It's a lack of support infrastructure, plus some quite good PR campaigns by ICE-heavy makers (hi Toyota!) to stoke range anxiety in buyers. (I've had people who drive less than 5000 km a year, all short trips, tell me they'd be worried about relying on an EV with “only” 300 km of range…)

    I've got an EV, and it's far cheaper for me than the diesel it replaced. However, I've also got a driveway and a home charger. With public charging infrastructure the way it is now (i.e., sparse and expensive), you cannot realistically expect someone who doesn't have a private driveway to buy an EV. Then there's the mostly rural drivers who do have the place to charge overnight, but drive longer distances, and for peace of mind would like a charging option at their destinations.

    Tax-breaks on 2nd hand EVs are a useful measure (over a third of cars on Irish roads were previously registered in the UK), but the real money needs to be spent on making EV charging more cost-effective and accessible, and in fairness to the perennially-maligned Ryan, that's why he cut back the grant: as EV prices fell, and second-hand units arrived on the market, it became nothing much more than a subsidy for people who can afford a new car, so the money was better spent in supporting everyone who owned an EV, regardless of how they acquired it.

    I’m actually disappointed that the purchase incentive is back. If it has to be, I'd like to see it tied to a scrappage scheme and weighted toward lower-price models… I'll wait to see the details.



  • #98
    Westernview
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061407#Comment_123061407

    IIf you're referring to yesterday's release it is only a draft PfG full of general statements promising a bit of everything. I can't get any sense that there is a shift in the balance from public transport to or from roads. Needs more meat on the bones for a final document or else we will have to wait for the announcements of project funding.



  • #99
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,751 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061472#Comment_123061472

    It's quite obvious that there is no shift, just that much needed road projects will no longer be stalled.



  • #100
    Westernview
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Westernview


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061494#Comment_123061494

    Its not obvious to me but I hope you are right.



  • #101
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/17/who-are-the-independents-supporting-the-new-ff-fg-coalition-and-what-do-they-want-in-return/

    Some detail on the nine TDs supporting the Government and some of the constituency projects they are prioritising. No "consitutency deals" but apparently they are having input on the NDP review in July.

    Marian Harkin: N4 Carrick on Shannon bypass, N17 Knock-Collooney

    Healy Raes x2: N22 Killarney-Farranfore

    Sean Canney: M6 Galway City Ring Road

    Mentions an "outer ring road" of Athlone regarding Boxer Moran which I don't follow, but maybe the N55 to Ballymahon will be prioritised. Gillian Toole's base is quite close to the N2 Kilmoon Cross-Ashbourne project that got knifed a few years back. Noel Grealish may have his eye on a Claregalway relief road aside from the GCRR proposal. Lowry has regularly made mention of bypasses of Tipperary Town (now outside his constituency) and Thurles.



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  • #102
    Consonata
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭Consonata


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061392#Comment_123061392
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123016013#Comment_123016013

    Sure if you want to ignore all the difficulties that this government has faced in virtually each capital investment department when it has come to planning law, then yes the government has been doing nothing :eyeroll:

    This is made more grim by the fact that I know you know this, you are clearly a person who is quite invested in infrastructure in this country, but your hobby horse is roads and are happy to lean into misrepresentation to grind an axe.



  • #103
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123090638#Comment_123090638

    I have no axe to grind. I have presented information on several road schemes and why they have been delayed during the last Government. My personal opinion on Eamon Ryan has been quite consistent also. I was optimistic when he was appointed that he would try to make progress in many areas that needed advancement (big ticket PT projects, offshore wind, interconnectors etc), but instead he was rather ineffective because a) he took on too much (transport, energy, climate and communications is too much for one Minister especially when responding to crises such as the 2022 energy shock) and b) he spent more time getting drawn into quagmires and needless political debates about items of a personal grievance (roads projects, the passenger cap at Dublin Airport, the LNG terminal at Shannon etc). IMO he would have a better legacy if he left that stuff alone and focused on positive progress on renewable energy, Metros etc. Despite his best efforts, there is apparently extra focus on road project advancement and the immediate lifting of the Dublin Airport cap by the new Coalition, and it wouldn't be remotely surprising to see Shannon LNG advance to placate the new administration in the US.

    Most of the roads projects that Eamon Ryan was alleged to have intervened in are in the pre planning stage. Projects at the planning submission, or beyond that stage were not impacted. I have repeatedly stated this, especially in the M20 thread where posters repeatedly slated the Minister despite there being no evidence whatsoever that he slowed the M20 project in any way.



  • #104
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Now that a new Minister is in place, it'll be interesting to see how long the TII allocations take to come out this year.

    They were released in late December/early Jan until the 2022 allocations which were published on 17/12/2021.

    They were delayed until February in 2023 and 2024 presumably due to the shenanigans involved for those 2 years.

    (Also: Business case for the M28 was submitted to DoT on 20/12. M28 contract award should be shortly)



  • #105
    afatbollix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123061113#Comment_123061113

    Cars are being decarbonised by becoming electric.

    Remember in 5 years time you won't be able to buy a petrol or diesel car.

    Those cars, buses and trucks will need some form of road to operate on.



  • #106
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,835 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    So many projects need attention and are so far behind where they should be- the N4 between Mullingar and Dromod (while a decent road in many parts- is way over capacity the amount of HGVs on this road always surprises me), the western half of the N24, the N/M20, the N17 northern section, N4 Carrick on Shannon scheme, all the Donegal schemes , N2 and N3 schemes, N21 bypass schemes etc plus many national secondary schemes



  • #107
    No_Hope_Club
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭No_Hope_Club


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136225#Comment_123136225

    Are you sure about the 5 year timescale? EU regulations refer to no ban before 2035.



  • #108
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123138875#Comment_123138875

    They’re wrong. It’s 2035.

    New passenger cars sold after 2035 date must emit 0% of current CO2 emissions.

    Buses and trucks are under different rules: After 2040, new buses and HGVs must emit less than 10% of current CO2 emissions. They get a lighter limit because they’re much heavier, there’s far fewer of them, they’re essential for commerce (trucks), or can replace multiple passenger cars (buses).



  • #109
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df86e-ministers-announce-713-million-for-regional-and-local-roads/

    Regional and local roads allocations for 2025.

    Hopefully national roads allocations not far behind.



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