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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    the complete one sidedness of it, why they're hated in that region and now around the world. It's nothing to do with being Jewish,

    Why were they attacked in 1948 so? Was the hatred justified then?
    Seems like you are justifying overt Anti-Semitism, or at least making excuses for it.

    Nothing to do with them being Jews, but you ignore all the rhetoric from the likes of Hamas when it comes to 'killing Jews'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Nearing a ceasefire and the Anti-Israel types (certainly not you) seem regretful. Pretty much the same tune after every war that ends that involves Israel - regret that there's still an Israel that survives. Plus the glee at the damage to Israel, like that'll do anything but stiffen their resolve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Those critical of israels actions in gaza are not anti Israel. Only an anti palestinian would want the killing of plaestinians to continue. It will be a good thing if this ceasefire holds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,777 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    And you missed the point. Their atrocities have been in the news for the past year. Their leadership have arrest warrants for genocide. Countries that would have been considered friendly aren't.

    Israel burnt so many bridges with this. They can't recover from this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭taratee


    It would be a great thing if it holds. It would be even better if Hamas and the rest of the Palestinians admitted defeat, turned their backs on violence, and put these notions of a Palestinian state from the river to the sea to rest. Instead, they could focus on building a future based on trust and respect, with the ultimate goal of living in peace with all their neighbours—not just Israel. How good would that be?

    If other countries in the region have reached that point, why can’t they?

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    would be great if they knew their place and gave up their houses and holdings to Jacob from the Bronx. Should lie down and respect their betters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    ,,,,,because they're being aggressively colonised via slow drip ethnic cleansing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    There is an organised group of settlers, supported by convicted terrorist Ben-Gvir, just waiting to get into Gaza. In fact, in the last two weeks they were removed from Gaza after they entered it.

    Perhaps you call the truth "tripe and nonsense" because it simply proves that your own posts are exactly that - tripe and nonsense.

    The settlement of Gaza is on the cards and very much possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    The talk about reestablishing settlements in Gaza was coming from within Israel itself including from members of the cabinet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israelis are certainly of the opinion that this tactical campaign might be considered "successful" but strategically, it has and will remain a disaster for Israel for years.

    Israeli economy is in freefall, the govt is led by a dictator war criminal and the ICJ will rule in genocide.

    The only thing Israel could have done to make matters worse was use a nuke.

    Won the battle, lost the war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Perhaps Israel will renounce violence too? And their own version of "from the river to the sea"

    They're the only one's up for Genocide, not the Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Oh I don't know Marko, maybe… just maybe because they were being kicked off their land? You know exactly like what's happening today which you seem to have zero problem with, none whatsoever. Its a bit suspicious really…

    I mean I can convert to Judaism in the morning and I'll be paid to move to a country that kicks people out of their homes and all I'll have to do is join an occupying force that likes to kill civilians. In particular kids. That's fine for some weird reason…

    I would suggest you haven't really a clue what antisemitism is. I mean you've displayed this for quite a while now and tbh I can't help you there. I mean this is pretty basic stuff.

    Oh and rhetoric of Hamas killing Jews (like I've said before, post it and like all of those brave posters, I'll happily condemn it) bad….. Israeli's revelling in the destruction of Gaza….. good…. Apparently….

    https://x.com/sahatenglish/status/1877637153225621660



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    as well as that they will have thousands of reservists filtering back into israeli society that have committed horrific war crimes including rape and child murder over the last 14 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭taratee


    Israel would be more than happy to renounce violence and live in peace with them. As you know, I've spent time in Israel and I have Israeli friends. That is the will of the majority of people there. Israel has reached that point with other countries in the region, so there is absolutely no reason why they can't reach the same point with the Palestinians.

    I think we can both see the genocide case for what it is. Do you honestly believe that they are going to be found guilty?

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It's almost that its Israel's fault that it keeps winning wars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I think we can both see the genocide case for what it is.

    What is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "Israel would be more than happy to renounce violence and live in peace with them."

    Yeah, them Israeli colonists in Hebron and Arab East Jerusalem are just a bunch of oppressed hippys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,494 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no he didn't, and he didn't, but you know this.

    the only way israel have ever withdrawed from anywhere is because america ordered it or else.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,494 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no we really, really, didn't.

    we were and are the honest broker by calling israel out on it's genocide.

    we were never going to have a massive say anyway, nor were we going to ever have peace keepers in gaza, because israel would never allow any independant force there because they ultimately want to occupy it.

    lets remember they have also attacked our troops in times where we have said nothing.

    calling out a racist, genocidal, apartheid settler colonial project is not student union politics, but practical, reality based politics that is necessary for the world to progress.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,076 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,494 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    hamas gone from gaza? yeah right.
    hezbolla will either rebuild it's armed wing or will engage in politics that will involve some sort of continued resistance to israel's attempt to reoccupy lebanon.
    assad wasn't really able to offer much support in recent years given he was up the creak himself.
    the iranians aren't pulling back at all, they are just lieing low now their point is made that they can carry out effective strikes on israel dispite israel's superior airpower.
    all hostages held by hamas are free in exchange for a large amount of hostages held by israel, great news for all concerned.
    yes ultimately israel has lost the war because the publics won't forget, the likes of the bds movement will grow stronger and even trump's support for israel certainly isn't guaranteed given a lot of his supporters don't actually have any time for israel.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,494 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it's down to america, israel wouldn't win jot if it wasn't for america.

    america provides most of it's weaponry and ammunition.

    actually to think of it, israel wouldn't be very much afloat if it wasn't for america full stop.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,341 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The big question is whether Israel will allow Gaza to be rebuilt. Will they allow the import of construction materials. Will they allow the electricity grid and water infrastructure to be rebuilt. Will they allow the hospitals to be rebuilt. Construction materials were heavily curtailed during the Blockade (2007-2023). Will Israel insist on returning Gaza to the open air prison and continue to the oppressive occupying power (controlling utilities, power, seas, borders, imports, exports, movement of people, aid etc etc). Or will they let Gaza get back to some level of normality. I suspect they will continue to make Gaza almost unliveable in the hope that surviving Palestinians leave. Will Israel allow the press in finally. Foreign doctors to take care of the wounded and psychologically damaged. Many dark days ahead for Gaza still.

    Israel has ruined it's reputation on the world stage. That is for sure. And I hope the war criminals are brought to justice.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,076 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Well if murdering tens of thousands of children and women, destroying hospitals, schools etc is winning then they did. But Hamas are still there and many experts say that their support has actually increased, Israel's reputation is in tatters, their economy is in freefall and their own people are in revolt. It's overall a very hollow victory if it's a victory at all.

    The only way that Israel will secure it's future peace is if they start treating Palestinians fairly and stop stealing land. Jaw jaw is always better than War war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A lot of anger and ire from the Israeli right wing and a lot of it directed at Trump. They thought he was their ally when all he has ever been interested in is getting deals done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Many of those who committed those atrocities and put photos and video on their social media accounts are being tracked. On leaving Israel to go to an ICC signatory country, there will be attempts to arrest them and bring them to justice as war criminals along with Netanyahu and Gallant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,029 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The ICJ already found Israel guilty of apartheid and annexation last summer.


    As regards the Genocide case, the ICJ found the case plausible and issued preliminary measures that were binding on Israel - twice. Israel ignored the UCJ twice.

    There has since been a plethora of evidence for Israel committing Genocide - with intent.

    I don't know what the ICJ's verdict will be but I'd imagine Israel is very nervous.



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