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Forming the next Irish Government - policies and personalities

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,674 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,228 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    With a bit of rotation (like the top jobs!), he can give all his 8 TDs a spin on the merry-go-round.

    Not sure about this

    1. Carol Nolan isn't mentioned in the article, suspect she will be out in the cold
    2. Can't see Lowry himself getting any sort of ministry
    3. Toole and Heneghan both rookies, may turn out to have maverick tendencies

    RIG will hold two super junior ministries, meaning two members will now sit at Cabinet. The two roles will be filled by Galway East TD Seán Canney and Noel Grealish of Galway West, while Sligo–Leitrim TD Marian Harkin and Longford–Westmeath TD Kevin ‘Boxer’ Moran will hold junior ministerial roles.

    This looks a pretty solid cohort that could be left in post for five years without causing any serious trouble for their overlords..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,110 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You seem to be very one note on this, but who will be embarrassed and why? Last time it took multiple months for government formation, the US takes 2.5 months for a new administration to come in, a lot of European countries can take a long time to form a government.

    The very fastest tend to be the dictators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,026 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Galway could do well from this government. We might finally get a ring road. Might get it started anyway. Another 20 years for completion I'd say.

    Who gets Health I wonder. Darragh O'Brien maybe.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The last election gave an unclear result. This result was clear.

    When the result is clear a government is formed when the Dail meets for the first time. This was done in 2011, 2007 and so on. I don't think we were a dictatorship then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The Healy Raes have signed up to the government according to RTE tonight.

    So that's it. We'll have our new government next week and Stephen Donnelly will no longer be the Health Minister.

    Focus shifts to newcomers coming into the cabinet and hopes are high that Helen McEntee will be moved out of Justice given her catastrophic handling of the ministry, presiding over increased crime, riots, countless asylum centres being burned down and packed prisons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    I"m giving the Healy Rae about 3 months before they walk out whingeing about something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The Healy Raes have supported governments in the past including the father.

    I'd say they're more reliable that the Social Democrats in that regard.

    They are the type of politicians that get things done rather than shouting from the sides lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,110 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    A) There were multiple possible coalitions that had to be worked through, very similar to 2020 which took a lot longer (FG and FF already being in coalition will have sped up the process this time but the greens were gone and the TD imbalance and programme had to be worked out so that the new government doesn't immediately collapse).

    B) You keep talking about embarrassment without saying who or why and trying to completely ignore the multitude of countries that take much longer to form a government. As said, this has become very one note and your unwillingness to elaborate (or be embarrassed for the US 2.5 month process) makes your contributions facile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,674 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    do you think these were her personal policies, and not those of FG and FF?

    Post edited by expectationlost on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    I am very surprised Michael and Danny got involved always thought they would be looking for an off ramp and as their votes are not exactly vital it's a bit surprising that FFFG were happy enough to pay a price no doubt to get them on board. A junior minister position and whatever else seems a high price .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,110 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I think they've been put of government for too long, there is only so many questions you can ask and passports to expedite before their constituents start demanding more goodies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I'm not comparing ourselves to other countries, I'm comparing ourselves to ourselves. Up to 2011 governments were formed within 2 weeks.

    Fianna and Fine Gael were 2 seats short of an overall majority. The result was clear. They all decided to not to bother negotiating and take a long Christmas break instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Well it's her department, her choices. I can't point to a single thing she's done that has benefited Ireland. Court cases taking years to resolve, prisons are letting out inmates early because they are packed, Gardai are under resourced and the drugs issue keeps on getting worse.

    She didn't reform anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No, they didn't. Apart from Christmas week, there was work going on all the time.

    Some people will always find something to complain about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    You are 100% right reform was negligible. The question I have is do politicians have the stomach for the fight that is involved in actual reform - taking on the Gardai work practices, legal profession 'protecting the rights' of the under privildged, going hard on crime etc etc ? I think you will find no - the media, civil society groups etc present the pleadings of interest groups as gospel and politically it is easier to write the cheque. Also to be fair to Helen Mcentee she had two children while serving as minister. That is no doubt hugely demanding of her as a young mother - we talk about female participation in politics .. there is a separate debate there.

    But fundamentally, do politicians have the stomach for unpopular decisions when politics has become a popularity contest not about political leadership …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,940 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    What junior minster do people think the Healy Raes will have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Housing. A landlord helping the Housing Minister make rents and property prices continue to increase will be ideal for FF/FG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,121 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I think most people would have been quite happy for McEntee to write a cheque to build a large new prison, but she didn''t.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,556 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    After all that we are about to enter an era of keeping a motley selection of, erstwhile derided and demeaned, parish pump politicians happy. Fun times ahead no doubt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,228 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Fun times ahead no doubt.

    I don't think so, not for us joe soaps or the media anyway. I reckon it'll be the dullest government of my lifetime; any strops from the indos will, in all likelihood, be thrown behind closed doors…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭pureza


    Ah here!

    The U.S system sacks all the outgoing department heads and underlings,to be replaced by the winning presidents appointees,in the case of a new president

    It also has to get the ministers confirmed by senate committees

    Meanwhile the outgoing government is a lame duck

    Not ideal at all



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,165 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,228 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    A junior minister position and whatever else seems a high price .

    Looks like the only currency on offer from FFG;harde to explain the number of them being handed out otherwise…

    Government sources said they were not doing constituency deals with the Independents, with one senior source insisting the Independents could have “jobs or constituency deals – but not both”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    They stopped for 2 weeks over Christmas and almost no serious discussions were held before Christmas. And it turns out the main part of the negotiations revolved around job allocation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Mcentee strikes me as a Yes woman. No ideas of her own and no initiative.

    The nation will be hoping she's moved out of Justice, hopefully to an unimportant ministry if Fine Gael have to keep her in the cabinet for gender reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭reactadabtc


    I don't really have an issue with that. They're entitled to a Christmas break. I had 3 weeks off. It was great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    She's the party deputy leader and, while I disagree with her politics (and all of FG's) she comes across as a largely competent minister. No more or less competent than any other.

    She gets an unfair amount of criticism because of her gender and (I guess) the fact she took maternity leave. Neither of which are valid points of criticism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,026 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    She will be moved out of Justice. There is no future for her there. Lost the dressing room a long time ago.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭reactadabtc


    I imagine she will get Enterprise and Tourism, Simon is Foreign Affairs, Paschal is Finance. Big jobs for the junior partner.



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