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Room to Improve (v2)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,512 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Looked to be completely open. Thought it was odd that she didn't want the head of her bed beside the door for security reasons, then declined to put up a fence at the end of the garden…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    She ended up with an A rated brand new spacious home totally spec'd to her requirements. It also had huge sentimental attachment for her as the house she grew up in. Agree that it was very pricy but nice that she revitalised a house in the town rather than a new build in a field somewhere on the outskirts of a town or in the country. The grants she got were generous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭itsacoolday


    My brother is considering buying a house or building in rural Ireland this year and is looking at a few similar properties in villages. I suggested to him it could end up costing 680,000 and he may not then even have room in his master bedroom for a wardrobe. The one the older night was just a pop up canvas thing, even though Dermot said the 2 functions of a bedroom was to sleep in and store clothes in. I also said in the countryside he and his visitors could go out the back door to his car,bin, garden, bbq without squeezing past the end of his bed. He is weighing up the pros and cons, he is not on boards.ie. I'd hate to see him making a mistake he'd regret later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Baybay


    I think the owner said that the wardrobe location was still under consideration so the canvas pop up might have been a temporary solution.

    I too am not sure if I’d like all traffic to the rear space going through my bedroom, however, it looked like there was a small balcony / terrace off the living area upstairs so that might be somewhere for guests to gather outside. If it was me, I’d probably put in an outside stairs to allow access between both areas. Looked like she had the room for it while still allowing parking & garden area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,051 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    What was the final cost of the house, I thought they said that came in at €300k+ but €250k net to her due to the grants?

    I don't blame anyone questioning the show's information re grants as there have been plenty of questionable items before. There was one last year where the couple were living in the house shortly before the work commenced, that was very questionable. But I do believe this weeks house would have qualified for all that was set out in the show. Maybe Co Co's have slightly different criteria (they shouldn't) but I know a couple in the same county doing a similar restoration and they are getting the same grants.

    Re your brother or anyone else's situation, unless the property is dirt cheap or inherited, it's probably not the wisest investment imo (even assuming all grants can be got).

    If my understanding of it costing 250k net is correct then I think she got a lovely house (even with Dermot's bad layout choices imo) and the money was well spent. If the property wasn't in the family then I still think paying 80-100k would have worked out reasonably well, reasonable but not spectacular value if the total cost was 350k in that case (250k net and assuming 100k purchase price)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭itsacoolday


    I think they said on the programme if she put the bed where she wanted it, away from the glass door, they would have no room for a wardrobe. That is what the controversy was about.

    Looking at the back view of the property, someone put a pic of it in post no. 3094 , there is no room for an outside stairs without blocking light to the glass or taking up car parking space.

    As Regards the grants, it seems different co. Councils have different criteria as my brother was told he cannot get a refurbishment grant for a new build, even if he keeps the front wall and knocks everything else.

    As regards costs, on the programme architects fees, quantity surveyor fees etc etc are not included, a builder friend of my brother said that could add 40 or 50 thousand, plus the quote from Munster joinery may not come in so cheap as they would not be getting free advertising etc, and costs have increased in the past year or two. That is why the builder said he could see it costing at least about 430,00 now - not the 342,000 the builder charged the other night, in addition to whatever the old shop/ dwelling overhead cost.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    whose job is it to render the wall with the adjoining property; the one to the right of her property?

    Looks like there is still a bit of work to do on the back of the house



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,051 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    She ended up putting the bed in the alcove that was designed to house the wardrobe. Plenty to question about the design but at least he had designed it into the plans. It was very clear from the show that she decided against his design and she said she would go with a temporary solution until she figured out how the room could work for her. It probably should have been thought through at the drawing stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,313 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    It was thought through at the drawing stage by the original architect and looked like it would work well.

    Then Dermot came along and turned it in it's head.

    Edit, original proposed plan

    charlestown.jpg

    He increased the width of the rear extension and moved it out to the boundary and used parapet walls and a flat roof, which was a good idea.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was flipped right way up again.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Westernview


    That original plan does look better than the altered one. Ground floor living much more practical especially as one gets older. Also noticeable that it had a double height (albeit smaller) courtyard bringing light to both levels in the centre of the house. Watching the show on Sunday you'd think Bannon came up with that idea. He just made it bigger.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Would be great to have a poll on it, to see if most people prefer the Mayo architects 2022 design or Dermot Bannon's design! I'd say nearly everyone would go for the original, Mayo architect's design.

    Which is surprising as Dermot's designs are usually very good, I think. If the view in Charlestown upstairs was say a sea view or mountain view instead of a church car park and field, then an argument could be made for putting the kitchen living upstairs. But the glass back door in the bedroom did not work, I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I agree the views didn't justify the flip in floors. Seems the other architects had most of the work done and dermot just rejigged it. The one big advantage of going with him and the show may be that the owner got materials and labour cheaper as already mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭gipi


    I wonder if the back door in the bedroom came about because she insisted on the 3rd bedroom, which looked squeezed in?

    Had Dermot's original 2-bed plan gone ahead, would there have been a "proper" back door?

    Regarding the switching of the living areas upstairs, I suppose it's what the owner grew up with (as her family lived upstairs from the shop), so there might have been a bit of heart-over-head decision-making.

    Edit: did she inherit the property, I wonder? Would have cut out the purchase price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,313 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    The original kitchen, dining and living was on the ground floor behind the shop.

    2nd Living room, 3bedrooms and bathroom were upstairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭itsacoolday


    The Mayo architects design for which planning was got in 2022 had three bedrooms upstairs, and she was always very insistent on having 3 bedrooms, so it would appear the brief to Dermot was for 3 bedrooms. He said in London he got that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,313 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Repeat tonight at 10:40 RTE 1 if you couldn't get it on player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Upstairs balcony looks unfinished with no railing, wouldnt be surprised if the plan is to have an outside stairs built up to it which would be nice.

    Also with regards pricing I got a quote from a builder who did one of the houses on room to improve not long ago. I was looking for a lot less than what they did for the 'tv' and it was still nearly double what the room to improve project supposedly cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Dermot flipping the layout I think was to show he was contributing. He wanted to do something dramatic to make his mark. He wouldn't have added much value if he stuck to the original design. Agree with a previous poster here who mentioned that the views weren't up to much; A church car park and an field to the back - hardly worth flipping the design.

    Not having a toilet beside the living area would be annoying, having to go downstairs etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,313 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    " And while it was a really nice touch to have the name on the front… could they not have kept or recreated the original framing and signage. A big missed opportunity there imo"

    It looks like she did keep the old sign, just not the canopy-

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/4y5JPAf1uSznpM5y6



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,051 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    RTERoomToImproveMayo24-1736164113215.jpeg Screenshot_20250109-103834.png

    I just think the new front is very bland / new looking. Think it would have been nicer to re-create some of the original features. Not sure what they're called, but there were llines "framing" the old front (details where the front meets the footpath, around the windows, and the line running between the floors), while the new front is just one dimensional.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭itsacoolday


    You are right: the 70,000 grant is not supposed to be paid for new builds, just keeping the front wall of the old property, unless the old property was " structurally unsound and dangerous".

    If that is allowed, then someone building a million euro mansion in the countryside would be equally entitled to 95,000 worth of grants if they just kept the front wall of an existing structurally sound and safe building, and knocked the rest. Most county councils will not rightfully give the "refurbishment " grants like that, at taxpayers expense, as new builds are not what the refurbishment grants are intended for.

    Seeing the meat hooks and shed where the animals were cut up certainly brought back memories of butchers a long time ago. As someone else said, it was strange how the food and biscuits in the shop was not given to charity or disposed of many years ago. No sign of dampness or leaks in the old building, it was there a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Scchhh. You can sometimes get 95,000 euro in grants if you keep the front wall. If they knocked that wall, they would not have got it. I agree with you though that the three dimensional render lines on the old wall for example made it more aesthetically pleasing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Notimefarmer


    I don't see a big issue with using the grant for essentially a new build. They do have to knock the old house and if that means someone is going to change a derelict house to a new house, then it's success.

    I do think there's a big problem with the show in that this show is essentially sending a message of what is possible and what it could approximately cost. But the fact there's discounts for advertising and show deals, it's not true.

    The more I watch these programs, the more I think there's going to be one almighty bang of a crash at the end of it. Getting 90k of a grant no matter what it's purpose is absolutely insane to any other european country. This country needs to pray the corporate tax keeps rolling in because if it doesn't and they need to start trimming spending, things will rapidly decline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Usually when a front facade is retained on a building it's to retain its character within the streetscape and this is a good policy in my view. However removing the features to end up with a plain newly rendered altered finish makes a mockery of the whole idea. Might as well have knocked the whole thing at that stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Addle


    Double post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Addle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭sunbabe08


    so I’m watching this at the moment. The bedroom in the front. Will there not be noise to contend with? And what is the point of the court yard?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,653 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    If you mean the courtyard in the middle of the house it’s to get natural light into the middle bedroom. Absolutely necessary for making it a bedroom. Even if the house hadn’t been turned upside down something would have been needed to get a window into the room. It’s just what needs doing with a narrow site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,207 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A Velux is an option with the bedrooms upstairs. As well is the court yard a future proofing in case you need a lift put into the house in 30 years time as she gets older to get upstairs

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Janey Mac....that's extreme thinking surely? Thinking ahead 30 years in case she might need a lift to go upstairs? Jeepers.



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