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Rory Gallagher - A dismissed case that was dealt with and brought to attention? Mod Note in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    McEnaney the Corduff manager would probably have told them where to shove it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Three of them are or were playing week in week out for three of the most prominent teams in the country. To describe them as ordinary amateur players is a fair stretch.


    several received character references from senior GAA figures at their sentencing hearings.


    several have been held up in court as “role models” on the basis of their GAA exploits

    All of them are in a position where they have or will be held up by their clubs and county as an example to young players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭Suckler


    This is the issue that adds complexity to what Burns has done.

    Gallagher was "an ordinary amateur player", ('Ordinary' I'd contest) but, to use you're examples, he was/is an, evidently, very good one and remains to be held in high regard for his coaching. How/why was his violence covered up and excused for so long?; Same reasons you've listed - he was a great player/coach so was his image was maintained as a 'role model' in prominent clubs and county set ups.

    His name inevitably comes with baggage in respect of the allegations that have been made against him, but in some circles they're worth excusing for an amateur county title.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    but that’s also part of the problem. Gallagher has no mechanism to clear his name, but burns has taken the view that this is “baggage” and effectively looked to have him blacklisted. Meanwhile a host of individuals who have actually been found guilty by a court are eulogised by the organisation Burns heads up.


    if Burns had for example stepped up to the plate and said it was unacceptable for John kiely to be a character witness for kyle Hayes I’d have a degree of respect for his actions here. If he’d proposed clamping down on inter county teams playing people found guilty by the courts for a reasonable period post their sentence he’d appear somewhat consistent. Instead he’s given a message that some victims of violence are beneath the GAAs consideration while others are not ( presumably based on the degree of positive column inches it might generate)

    Post edited by tritium on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lmk123


    yeah no problem, it’s on the same post where you said that I dismissed the KYLE HAYES assault. It’s annoying isn’t it when people try to twist your words into something you didn’t say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,426 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    wasn’t there alcohol issues the mother’s side?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Do GAA coaches get paid? I thought the sport was an amateur one??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Well since I never mentioned Gallagher in that post ans was just on you playing down mal on male assaults I will think you will find it pretty hard to prove. I also corrected myself on the Kyle Hayes mistake



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lmk123


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭cms88


    You'd know a lot about twisting people's words to be fair….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lmk123


    our first interaction was you saying the following:

    “So assaults on men are alright according to you then?”


    And I’m the one twisting words. Pot Kettle 🤦‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They are all players, they are not coaches and managers in positions of authority over others.

    If you don't let convicted criminals or others in need of rehabilitation participate at the bottom level - as players - in community activity like amateur sports, how do you ever rehabilitate them?

    They should never be in positions of authority as captains, trainers, coaches or managers, and their participation in professional sport should be considered very carefully. I have thought carefully before drawing that line, but you have to draw it somewhere, acknowledging the need for rehabilitation as well as the need to set examples of those who have done wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    except we’re not talking about at the bottom level, we’re talking about playing for the most prominent inter county teams in the country. Look you entitled to draw the line wherever you like, but from my perspective, notwithstanding the GAA claims that club is king, playing in an all Ireland level team in front of millions is a significantly bigger deal and privilege than managing a local club who most of the country don't even know exist.

    It’s very difficult not to conclude Burns is doing this for the PR value rather than any concern about violence in society. And in doing so he’s creating a hierarchy of victims and of perpetrators-read the victim impact statements from either the two Limerick cases or the one with the Kerry lads. Their victims had their lives destroyed and no longer feel safe walking down the street. Yet Burns prefers to play to the crowd than actually do something meaningful. Sure Burns will get his plaudits but next time some fella gets an unprovoked hiding from another parish star he’ll once again be nowhere to be seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Perhaps he's not that bad a bast@rd after all. Maybe its the ex wife that's the troublemaker

    (cue outrage from the Feminists and the Fem-doms)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭celt262


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭celt262


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You are entitled to draw your lines whereever you want, but I am drawing my lines where I said I was. Being in a position of authority over others, no matter the level, is vastly more important and symbolic than being just a player.

    That is why, I, and many others are more concerned about Gallagher than Hayes, Connolly, Buckley or some of the others mentioned. If Jarlath Burns follows the same logic I do, he is not a hypocrite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I looked at it there via archive.is.

    https://archive.is/ixmiH

    I would agree with Sheahan. But on the other hand that is life. Male on Male violence or even alleged violence (of that type) does not have the same level of emotive optics for the masses that Male on Female violence or even alleged violence (of that type) emotes in many people.

    That is just a fact of life. Vested interests jump on it to support their own interests. We saw it with the coverage of the murder of Ashling Murphy. According to former State Pathologist Marie Cassidy. A male murdering a female is very rare. Male on male violence is much more common place. Such as in the Kyle Hayes case.

    Dare I say it male on male violence is more "accepted" and normalise A male who is murdered would never get that sort of emotive coverage Aisling Murphy received.. It is less like to have vigils and so on similar to the Murphy case. That is just the way the world is, whether we like it or not.

    Jarath Burns is a GAA politician first and foremost, he understands the optics of even alleged violence in the case of Gallagher and his Wife. He is being very shrewd in a political sense as it would mean less criticism of the GAA by the more vocal vested interests. Burns then wins the "Optics" battle

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    sorry but this participant versus position of authority argument by you is load of nonsense… he is either innocent or guilty.. and at the moment he is an INNOCENT man so should be able to coach whatever team are interested in his services…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    you are right ,but i still believe that if the family of his ex wife has contacted burns to step in and intervene in some way well then i see no problem with that either ,

    it dose open another can of worms for the president in his own county ,is he going to send a similar letter to the cullyhanna club in his own county with the recent allegations against one of its players on the armagh team holiday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    like gallagher its innocent until proven guilty , if you think of the paddy jackson case a few years back he was acquitted , but himself and stuart olding were basically banned by the IRFU and had there contracts revoked ,

    in the email sent to nass i believe it said , the association cant ban rory but we would advise against his appointment , i see that as a watered down version of what the IRFU done ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    I don't know how you come to that logic. That's makes no sense. How is being a manager vastly more important than being a player. The players are in the public eye more than managers, and are more of a role model that kids try to live up to than a manager.

    It is clear that Burns has intervened in this case and (apparently) did nothing in the other cases (Hayes, the Armagh incident etc.) is because there is a woman involved as opposed to male versus male violence. I don't know Rory Gallagher so cannot comment on his character, nor do I have the right to just based on hearsay. If this was years ago (when I was an innocent lad) I would probably be swayed by the allegations too. However, I have seen first hand how bitter women can get in marriage difficulties/breakdowns, making false allegations etc., that now I reserve judgement on anything in similar type scenarios, until the pure truth emerges. Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned.

    Or maybe the rumours around RG are true. I don't know, just like everyone on here doesn't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Whether right or wrong, once a man is accused of violence against a woman he will be perceived as guilty, unless the woman clearly withdraws the accusation or has clearly been proven to be lying. A man simply not being convicted does nothing to the perception of guilt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Why is it a load of nonsense?

    Rory Gallagher should not be in a position of authority over others, given what we have heard. Simple as that.

    Those who defend him citing players are just whataboutery.



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