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Part time farming - Time saving techniques

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Im going to throw a curve ball for @Notimefarmer what about the option of cubicles and scrapers for a passage. Great to give cows extra space to move around and be mobile instead of being stuck in a 15X15 pen with 7 other cows. Could tie in nice with additional creep/calving pens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Notimefarmer


    Struggling to visualise this. What kind of size are you talking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Notimefarmer


    Problem with this is it'll end up quite a lot of money.

    I am not doing it for me really, more for dad to make things easier for him. Not sure if he will even stay in cows, he's on about getting out of them at the end of these schemes. He'll be retirement age in a few years.

    If it was just me, I'd probably be in dry stock and cut down on total numbers anyways so the 4 bays would give me around 36 capacity. I'm not around all the time with my job.

    So because he was talking about putting up 2 dry bays for capacity, I was thinking if using the grants and get a tank for less than 10k after all the grants, I could just pay for the extra out of my own pocket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭lmk123


    you won’t get much of a tank for less than €10k grants or no grants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Notimefarmer


    That's good to know at least.

    Scraping into slats it is for the forseeable future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,209 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Reference costs for a two bay tank, covered with slats a beam and an external .anyone 9' deep is 16.5k that includes digging out and backfilling.

    While two bays run a bit ahead of reference costs another 2ish grand should cover it. Grants isjust shy of 10k@ 60%

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭lmk123


    €6500 concrete

    €2500 steel

    €3000 groundwork’s

    €3500 shuttering and steel

    €4500 slats 

    €1000 2 load of 804 

    €500 tie in to other areas


    possibly pay grant application too. The groundwork’s and 804 might be high or low completely depends on his ground and how far the stuff needs to be drawn. The costs above cover nothing above slat level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭Farm365




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭lmk123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,209 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The Conc price quoted is Inc vat IMO 775 vat in that. 2 loads of 45 ton 804 is about 500+vat. On a site without rock ( extra in ref costs for breaking rock) track machine @ 60+ vat 12 hours to dig out, and 10 hours to back fill and tidy up 1320 + vat. If you do the tractor work yourself it will save a bit. At the young lads house the plant man supplied a dumper we supplied the diesel for the dumper and the driver and paid for collection and return two hours@60 an hour.

    16×8 12mm mesh was 56+ vat a sheet and 12 mm rebar 5.5+ vat a length( last spring steel not gone up since AFAIK) you will need 5-6 sheets of mesh not sure about rebar not sure of the spec either add 50% for 8mm deduct 25% rebar the same. Bended steel a bit more but 2k+ vat will fo a long way in the steel. Steel was out of a steel.supplier in LMK abbreviation for Limerick.

    No tie in new stand alone tank. Slats and shuttering I have no price for. If you know what you are at and price around ref prices ate fairly accurate. However I did qualify on my orginal postt that on smaller tanks they ran a bit ahead of ref costs. I definitely think you would get that size tank for less than 18-19k+vat and draw a grant of 10k as a young farmer.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭lmk123


    there’s nobody in the country selling 804 for €11 a tonne to a farmer so that price is completely out and it has to be SR21 certified for the grant, I was allowing for 2 x 26t loads. Concrete price depends on location, if buying from Roadstone in limerick for example that price doesn’t include VAT, if buying from Ardfert for example it will be more, Ducons less, needs to priced locally. As I said ground conditions and where the stuff needs to be drawn to will dictate this cost don’t know how you assume it’ll be all done in 22 hours and plenty digger men don’t have dumpers so might need to be hired and dumper drivers aren’t free either, as well as a whacker and maybe water pump may need to be hired or he may need to dig a drain out of it, again more money, don’t think €3k is too far out. If he goes for planning they’ll probably add a stupid condition of a leak detection system that’s another €1k. Don’t think the steel for a 9 foot tank will be a penny less than €2500 + VAT. Regarding the tie in I’d be surprised if there isn’t some works to be done outside of the tank, concrete entry or whatever either way I allowed €500 which pays for a few M of concrete at best. I’m guessing he will go with 16 foot flats so that would be the price of them, shuttering & steel fixing again price around there is a monumental difference in price between lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Notimefarmer


    Thanks for this. Is 16.5k ex vat and ex grant? So you're looking approximately 6.5k cost to me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,209 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Sorry forgot to reply to this. The 16.5k is the official grant costings. As I posted earlier smaller tanks run a bit more than grant costings. I expect it to cost 18-19k+ vat if you manage it well and do not get caught up in bells and whistles. You will need to price around it amazing the difference in the price of materials.

    You lads is building a house last March he priced steel for the foundations. The difference between the cheapest and NEXT cheapest was 280 in vat on an 900 euro steel bill. Some lads will tell you X's slats are rubbish while Y's and top class. however grants approved slats are all of a decent quality with a 40+ year life expectancy compared to slats from 30-40 years ago. When you more or less hit the 16.5k on the tank you do not need the other receipts for the grant so you can use non tax clearance labour for that example lad digging out the tank and say you did it yourself.

    Biggest catch is your yard already pla ning compliant. You need planning for the tank and the shed that will go over it, however the rest of the yard will need to be planning compliant if not you will need to seek retention for existing non compliant buildings

    Slava Ukrainii



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