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M28 - Cork to Ringaskiddy [under construction; 2028 completion]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Good to see Sorensen getting stuck in on the protected road from Barnehely to Ringaskiddy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Baldilocks


    I see the current end date is now 2030……

    that's fairly depressing for 12.5km (2.5km/yr)… with no significant bridges, tunnels, etc..



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    That's the required end date. It has a 3 year build schedule so will be open by 2028 once the tender is awarded this year.

    I love DroneHawks videos, but he does get a some of the comments he puts on screen wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Some of the personal comments he puts on Youtube can be wonky too. He had been responding positively to a lot of "bring bak de traaaane" posts on the Youghal Greenway videos. The usual "no hi vis" and "lycra clad" bingo cards. Again, absolutely fantastic videos, just the written content isn't perfect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭sonnyblack


    Do you think it will still take 3 years when the main contract begins? There has been a lot of earthmoving/groundworks completed as part of the enabling works? They could get stuck into working on the concrete structures quite quickly in the build I would have thought. It will be interesting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Mr.CoolGuy


    Bloomfield tie-in and Maryborough is probably the most finicky parts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Itoa


    Well BAM have won the tender so god knows……….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭eastie17


    who did dunkettle?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭sonnyblack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭sonnyblack


    Is that definite? Any news of when they will start? Isn't there less leeway for extras in fixed price infrastructural projects? If there's a ton of rock along the route then its tough luck. You've seen the cards in the the tender documents, including site investigations, and you have to play them.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    BAM are one of the most reliable construction companies in Ireland. Ignore the Childrens Hospital, it's a one off. Quite a lot of the responsibility for that debacle lies with the contract the government used and multiple HSE changes after construction started.

    They are currently building (on time and on budget) the Waterford North Quays project, Galway Ceannt Station and the N5 Westport to Turlough. In the past they've built the New Ross Bypass (including the Rose Kennedy Bridge), The Newlands Cross overbridge, the Waterford Bypass (including the Suir Bridge), the Portlaoise bypass and the Dundalk Bypass (including the Boyne Bridge) along with many other projects.

    If they get this job there are no worries about the time or the budget. TII don't use (and never have used) the type of contract used for the Childrens Hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,408 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    BAM Civil will do N28.

    BAM Building is doing the Children’s Hospital.

    They have the same ultimate owner, but they’re separate organisations within that group: this was a lot clearer before 2008 when they traded as Ascon and Rohcon, respectively.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,319 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Just to be clear, there are two contracts. Sorensen Civil Engineering are main contractor for the Protected Road Project from Barnahely to Ringaskiddy. BAM Ireland (BAM Civil) are apparently the contractor for the Motorway section from Bloomfield to Barnahely, which incorporates a short non-motorway stretch at it’s Northern end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Where is the BAM information coming from, apart from further up this thread? I’d imagine that the minister would have to give final consent to sign a contract of that size, and right now we have only a caretaker minister. There’s a longstanding tradition that caretaker ministers don’t take major decisions, even if they are legally entitled to do so. Now that I write that, it occurs to me that this might be the reason for the delay in finalising the contract. Maybe there is a contract written up somewhere with BAM’s name on it, waiting for a nod from the shiny new minister.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭blindsider


    Have heard BAM also - totally different source - in Dublin, would you believe it? 99% reliable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    I had the same question regarding the source of the news that the main contract had been warded to BAM. While I don't doubt the accuracy of the grapevine/gossip quoted here, I too couldn't find any authoritative source, which is why I put the word "apparently" in my post.

    I'm unclear whether the M28 project requires Ministerial or Cabinet approval, given the transition from the PSC to the Infrastructure Guidelines, the proximity between this project's value and the "major project" classification and the outgoing Minister's contempt for the PSC when it suited his purposes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭cantalach


    I’m only surmising here but, in view of the huge amount of taxpayer monies being allocated, one final ministerial signature doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. That’s not the same thing as cabinet approval. When my boss approves me to spend up to €5,000 on a work trip, they still have to sign off on the airfare and the hotel reservation, even if they’re within the approved limit. Checks and balances. But I really don’t know how these things work in the public sector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    I completely agree that sign-off on behalf of the taxpayer is appropriate and necessary. My question (which I worded badly) was which of Ministerial or Cabinet approval would be required in this case. From memory, the threshold for Decision Gate 3 Cabinet approval was due to increase to €200m.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭cantalach


    I’ve just noticed something that I’d previously missed in the August press release about the contract going to tender. The last paragraph says, “subject to cabinet approval”:

    https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/news/tender-published-for-m28-motorway-linking-rochestown-with-ringaskiddy

    As I mentioned before, longstanding tradition is that caretaker governments don’t write big cheques. So that likely explains the delay. Now that the new cabinet is finally in place, it’s presumably just a case of how quickly the new minister gets up to speed. Hopefully, this will be resolved soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Are they even at the point of seeking Cabinet approval? There are a lot of formalities to go through and loose ends to be tied up before awarding a contract like this, particularly with extra scrutiny which would come if awarded to BAM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭cantalach


    I really don’t know. But several people have said recently in this thread that the contract is going to BAM, which sounds like things are at least close. And I’m just saying that we’re now out of the political interregnum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    BAM seem to be the lowest price tenderer but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will be recommended for contract award. For a €200m contract with tender issued in August, I'd be surprised if they were ready to go to Cabinet this soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    There is machinery back at the Rochestown Road entrance to Bloomfield



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Reply to a PQ from new TD Seamus McGrath on January 22nd

    Appointment of the main contractor and commencement of work is subject to Government Consent to award the contract under the Infrastructure Guidelines. In that regard, the final business case was submitted to the Department of Transport on December 20th.

    Noting the above position, I have referred your question to TII for a direct reply updating you as to the latest status of the project. Please advise my private office if you do not receive a reply within 10 working days.

    This should move fairly quickly when the new Government is up and running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    A further 350 houses planned just south of Carrigaline. The town is at absolute bursting point.

    It will have a single dumbbell interchange linking it to the M28. I’ve said before that a second interchange was required to feed into the R613 west of the town.

    The traffic trying to enter the town at peak times on the R611 will IMO back out onto the M28 from the Cork direction.


    It’s already horrendous. However, we’ll not have nearly twice the flow heading towards the R611 when the M28 opens. It’ll be chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Mr.CoolGuy


    The extensive and ambituos Cork commuter rail improvements will help here no doubt. If not, then the Luas which will terminate about 10 minutes from the city centre will take up the slack



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    I haven’t heard of any plans to bring commuter or light rail to Carrigaline. I think more improvements to bus services / bus connect is as good as Carrigaline can hope for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    A light rail line that goes from the city centre to Carrigaline via Douglas Road, Carrigaline Road and the existing N28 would be great. Although, a big problem is the lack of density along the existing N28



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Mr.CoolGuy


    Apologies, bad habit of mine but that comment was dripping in sarcasm. Unfortunately the southern edges of the city have no public transport planned in either short, medium or long term apart from Bus Connects, and our friends in the city/city council have done their best to make that unviable.

    I have spoken to elected and non-elected candidates on this and they don't want to know. They just blurt out "Bus Connects" and consider the matter closed.



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