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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • #27302
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Will lads really go broke sending cows to the factory? I thought ye all said there was great money in it.

    Nitrates exemption as per current rule will come with the 3 years too in the proposal.

    So a lad can be free of nitrates limits for 3 years, can sell calves and young-stock no bother, and all he has to do is factory the culls, which will return similar to selling in the mart anyway? Is that an Armageddon situation?



  • #27303
    Coolcormack1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037357#Comment_123037357

    suits Larry to have a guaranteed supply.we see in the marts what a bit of scarcity does to prices at the ringside



  • #27304
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037357#Comment_123037357

    agree with you on this ….i can actually see a bit of merit in this measure tbh …



  • #27305
    yewdairy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭yewdairy


    Once you have the nitrates exemption. It will make little to no difference to farms. Could actually suit a lot of dairy farm on the edge of nitrates limits

    Also am at a loss to see how it's a tool to reduce the national herd?



  • #27306
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭green daries


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037357#Comment_123037357

    Did you come up with the idea or was it whoever you ate licking up to in the position above you in the department......



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  • #27307
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037386#Comment_123037386

    About 1.8 million cattle slaughtered yearly

    Take about 2500 TB herds affected by the proposed limit on mart sale annually, for arguments sake (It would likely be lower than this)

    Call that 250,000 cows total. Cull rate a round 20% is 50,000 cows.

    Assume 40% of them are usually sent to the factory by these dairy farms anyway (i.e. not all cows would have ended up in the mart). That leaves about 30,000 cows nationally that farms will have to send to factory themselves instead of to the cull ring.

    That is about 1.6% of total number per slaughtered annually.

    Can you explain how 1.6% of the cattle slaughtered being sent by dairy farmers not jobbers will tilt the market?



  • #27308
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037571#Comment_123037571

    I asked a question not coming down one side or the other. Is it an Armageddon situation? Have you an answer from your infinite stock of wisdom?



  • #27309
    Morris Moss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Morris Moss


    Any recommendations for cow mats or mattresses, need to change a good few, last few I bought were krailburg interlocking mats and the cows aren't keen on them at all.



  • #27310
    ginger22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037132#Comment_123037132

    They have already devalued herds selling heifers with the category rating on ICBF. It seems to me that lads should be entitled to compensation.



  • #27311
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    lads this is one off better moves the dept have come up with ….anyone dead against it got any better ideas …it’s a small inconvienence ….if a nitrates exemption comes with it better again ….there has been an ass load of stupid ideas but this def ain’t one’…..



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  • #27312
    ginger22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037757#Comment_123037757

    Where did ye pull the nitrates exemption from. News to me.



  • #27313
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123034314#Comment_123034314

    Did you have to get Dept pre- approval for that or were you able to work away yourself?

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • #27314
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037985#Comment_123037985

    Just cutting out Ash dye-back trees is all



  • #27315
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038032#Comment_123038032

    Hopefully the disturbance won't cause any TB troubles.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • #27316
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037748#Comment_123037748

    Mayo mats for last 25 years here, still perfect. I've some heavy duty ones also and they're not fans,I just put incalf heifers on them now.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • #27317
    cute geoge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037757#Comment_123037757

    Yes but some farmers will suffer ,why dont dafm also do something about diseased badger's .I dont see why it is always the farmers rules are changing ,dont agree with any rule changes until dafm off their arses and starting eradacting diseased wildlife!!!



  • #27318
    older by the day
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Factory's could not even dream this rule up. Cows going up the line for what ever price they want to pay.

    At 5% of the herd that's only 5 in 100. 1 in 20. For a small herd in a bad area it would be years of lock down. Won't be many nuts pumped in to them. Milk them bare, and let them stagger up the lorry



  • #27319
    Arm Wax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Arm Wax


    just passed tb test and i come in to this ha ha…….



  • #27320
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038114#Comment_123038114

    p grade cows making near 5 euro/kg now …it’s not lock down ..it’s just the cows everything else can be traded freely ….I’ve only got snippets so far …anyone know if this proposal is just for cull cows ….what’s story of selling in calf heifers ,in calf cows or calved stock for further milking ….if these ain’t exempt different story then .



  • #27321
    Jb1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038402#Comment_123038402

    Not always be 5…



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  • #27322
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038433#Comment_123038433

    it won’t but market and quality of stock going to factory dictate price paid ….poor cows in mart will command as poor a price there as in factory



  • #27323
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    All other stock are exempt according to the IFJ. I’m assuming that’s as long as the herd has gone clear



  • #27324
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037357#Comment_123037357

    Majority of farms havent the slurry storage our cubicle space to carry their culls for the winter, so if a farm has to add on an extra 20-25% of the above your talking a Conservative cost of 1500 euro per cow, 100 cow herd that culls 20 cows a year via the mart in November will have to spend 30-50k on extra accommodation, our kill half fleshed cows for buttons before housing



  • #27325
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭green daries


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038050#Comment_123038050

    Plus one on the mayo mats I find them a great job



  • #27326
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭green daries


    It's to lock your full herd of cows stalinistRussia style. Mj why would anyone even dream of agreeing to or liking or praising the department for anything that they want to do it will just cost farmers money and not solve any issues my own opinion is

    badgers

    deer

    Zero grazing

    Stocking density and tb resistance in the animals

    Contract rearing and the buying in of animals on neighbouring farms all over the country

    And lastly poor testing Procedure from the vets themselves

    It's a bonkers move that would put most out of business very quickly



  • #27327
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,703 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123039042#Comment_123039042

    the first 5 of the 6 on that list would be applicable to us here and we’ve been fine with tb.
    We have badgers. We have Deer. We’re stocked high. We’re zero grazing. We’re contract rearing



  • #27328
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭green daries


    I've a question for you my good man

    If you were in the business of buying or i don't know let's say rugs (rugs are flying on the open market) now imagine that there was a big number of factories who were only allowed to sell their rugs to you. Would you feel like paying them market rate when you know you can turn the screw



  • #27329
    green daries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭green daries


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123039063#Comment_123039063

    Great stuff it's just in the air so......

    On a side note Great that you are clear of tb and long may it stay that way. As a matter of interest would you think the department will leave contract rearing as is. ....cattle near me go to mayo for rearing cattle come from tipp to two mile away from me friend sends his up to cavan ........



  • #27330
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,703 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123039090#Comment_123039090

    don’t be getting up on your high horse now. I’m just telling you my situation. 10 years ago all the neighbours went down here. We didn’t. And haven’t in 50 years since my grandmother got cleared out. I don’t know why we haven’t and I’m very thankful we haven’t



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  • #27331
    older by the day
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭older by the day


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038402#Comment_123038402

    Cows going in after failing the skin/blood test are making 1 euro 50cent.

    Do you think when you send in cows with your "special 3 year permit" they will make 5 /kg.

    Come on your meant to be the smart one in the class.

    And that finty lemon guy, singing the praise of the blood test, will the false positives count in the 5%.



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