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Calf to beef thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You can but it take a it if know how. Most miller have specific bull rations it usually has a high oil content and is it Metealac. They are usually horrible expensive expect to pay up on 400/ ton for such rations. When feeding 1.3-1.5 tons it gets expensive. They have specialist yeasts, an acid buffer( basically bredsoda or limestone flour), and a few other additives to prevent them getting stomach issues or acidosis.

    Trying to get fat cover on them is the issue and you do not want them to get a setback. Best thing I ever fed them was crimped barley. But you have to buy the summer beforehand in July, get it crimped and put it in a clamp. I bought soya to balance it. I then fed minerals and this yeast from Agriking about a cup among 40 of them. Used mix it through the minerals and limestone flour. That was 15 years ago crows were not near the issue they are now. With tge crimped barley acidosis is not a significant issue. Brilliant stuff but you cannot runout of it which I did and had to buy milled barley for the last 2-3 weeks and drop the feeding rate. Basically you are fighting nature. The bulls I was doing were 23-26 months at slaughter. 30 moths was the limit at the time. I did small number for a couple of years after and used to buy a beef nut and maize. Basically any sort of ad lib is a tough game.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Was told in the merchants today that milk powder is going up €5/bag in January. I brought a pallet today saved me €300.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    What way do people heat water for mixing milk replacer?,looking at buying one of these but wonder if it will be up to producing enough hot water for feeding a bigger batch of calves

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I bought something similar last year to feed 20 calves, all done in a few min, plan on feeding 30 or possibly 40 this year.

    The one I got had an LCD temp display which is handy for making sure the water is the right temperature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Will be feeding 70-80 calves with a jfc milk cart.Only need it for around 3 months so don't want to spend a fortune



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Have one of these and they are a great job, I don’t know how I managed without it befoy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭emaherx


    That's a few more calves than I'm dealing with, it will probably still work but you'll be the guts of 30 min heating/filling water for 80 calves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Just ordered one there directly from the manufacturer website for €239 Inc delivery so will give it a go at that price anyway,..if I was to up the temperature and add it to cold water already in the cart would it speed up the process or does the water pressure need to be turned right down to heat the water hot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


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    here’s a handy product for anyone rearing calves. Anyone have one? Only issue I see is if they knocked it off but it’s a good idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    When you hang them if there is space on the hanger to drill 2 holes and use a threaded bar



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Use the small bowl type here with a 2ft length of 4inch pipe slid over the fitting to protect it and the pipe,the bowls are very easy clean by putting a lick bucket underneath and popping the rubber bung with a claw hammer..Calves are the dirtiest creatures for dirting water troughs,..between slobbering meal and dunging into them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭jfh


    What kind of milk replacer are you using? I usually go with dairygold when on twice a day and move to shine on oad. Just wondering what about elvor?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Re water for calves: I use a bucket in each pen of five and just fill it every day. It's a pain dragging water around but at least I know if they're drinking it or not.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Put an automatic drinker bowl in every pen. Life is hard enough without lugging buckets of water around.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    It's on the list but I'm stuck with buckets for this year.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    We use buckets for water all the time, drinking water is an indicator towards weaning readiness so monitoring consumption is important… WE have a hose that goes to the buckets, empty the bucket daily and fill with fresh water, only takes minutes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    How about calf jackets… Buying calves at 3 weeks, weaning 6-8 weeks later… Would jackets be of any use at those ages..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Used shine,Vitalac blue and maverick, over the past few years..calves are hitting the same weight targets with maverick as the other 2 only difference is mavrick is saving me over €15 per head per calf.

    Most milk replacer can be fed once a day after the calf is a month old,Shine is a good product but not worth the money in my opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭jfh


    Trying to simplify things this year, anyone here have a paddle on a drill to mix up milk?

    I'm only feeding 20 so looking for cheap solutions! Last few years I've been bringing hot water with me from my house, regards having something like a burco boiler and a timer switch, would those timer switches manage the current required for a burco boiler? Thanks in advance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    absolutely

    Skim coat mixer on a Tesco drill that cost €15 about six years ago. Awesome job.

    You can get a timer switch rated for 13A.
    We use one with a tank heated with an immersion. But it’s hard on it, gets hot.

    Thinking of changing to an electric instant hot water tap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Calves shouldn't need jackets at that stage imv. Iv heard of people moving away from putting jackets on all the calves. Maybe smaller or calves that need tlc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭jfh


    I put on jackets on the small young calves, only cos I have them tbh. Agree with the previous poster, I don't think they'd need them at 3 weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Do what lads do for lambing pens and set up a length of 6 inch pipe through all the pens and cut out holes for the calves to drink. Only have to fill at one end then. Can put a ball cock into it if your feeling fancy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Same here used a skim mixer from screw fix last year with a lidl battery drill. A buddy of mine bought a paint mixer in lidl for 30 quid it has twin rotors and mixes 90 litres in a couple of seconds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Focus86


    10mm solid bar with 2 bits of 25mm by 6mm bout 100mm long on the end of a cordless drill.
    hot water piped to a tap on the side of the house fed from the solid fuel cooker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I put jackets on all my suckler calves and don't take them off until there nearly grown out of them, don't see any harm in leaving them on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭emaherx


    You really shouldn't use any of the smart switches directly with an Immersion as they won't last. I wouldn't even use the 16A variety as they are not really rated for extended use of resistive loads, for a little extra put in a contactor and then control it with the smart switch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Gas water heater like the one mentioned above, will give instant hot water and save messing with smart switches or waiting for batches of water to heat.

    I use the plaster mixer on a drill also, works well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭_Brian




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Calves thrive much better with jackets. The thing is calves should be in a good airy house and then have jackets to keep warm.



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