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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Rossie11


    Course as long as he is free for Ireland 🙄Its essentially punishing Connacht again which is what his issue was in first place.

    They are pushing him out the door to France.



  • Subscribers Posts: 43,378 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    all this shows is complete bad management by Wilkins to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If he wants to stand by his earlier words I wouldn't hold it against him. It could potentially result in a new ban though so need to be very careful there. Guaranteed any apology would be an apology "in name only" and realistically would cost nothing

    The standard of reffing isn't much better in France. Potentially pushing him to NFL is what they are doing here I think



  • Subscribers Posts: 43,378 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    pretty damning on Connacht:

    Connacht Rugby must run an education session with their players about how to conduct themselves in post-match media sessions and interactions with the media



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    HaNson banned the same length as Latu, which is nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,667 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its harsh, lets be honest.

    Even as a Leinster fan, what he said wasn't without an element of merit, even if its not his place to be saying it.

    2 games reduced to 1 and a choreographed apology would have been appropriate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So he was going to apologise to the ref anyway?

    Those courses are a bit of a harsh punishment for simply telling the truth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    To be completely fair 3 weeks for what Latu did was also nonsense before this decision was made



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭jim Dempsey


    He doesn't miss any Ireland games which shows how corrupt these hearing are. Laughable decision



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    What he said wasn't fully wrong but there has to be a better way about doing it.

    As an invested fan, never mind a casual fan it is very difficult, to see where the consistency is in refereeing and the use of the TMO. There have been many complaints on boards and probably other platforms, that the TMO involvement seems to be tied in with the replays of the host broadcaster. Controversial incidents, or incidents that look controversial on the TV, never getting replayed, makes it appear that there are factors influencing the refereeing process.

    When the TMO reviews stuff in the background and doesn't discuss it with the ref it looks like it was ignored. We don't want the game stopped every time there is something looks questionable but it turns out to be innocuous, so I don't have a solution



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    The pr and media training is a lovely "watch yourself, peasants" punishment from the URC. Fair enough with the apology but ban is excessive and the pr training is a load of nonsense.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The Disciplinary Panel met yesterday, Wednesday, January 8 and consisted of Roger Morris (Chair, Wales), Nigel Williams (Wales) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa).

    Lads, I don't think Hansen's availability for Ireland was a particularly big concern for these guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Yes but there needs to be an element of Common sense with Hansen. 3 games seems excessively harsh. He had a fair point about 1 incident but he ranted about others which he was wrong about so a punishment yes, but this seems wrong to me.

    1 match ban and send him on a ref course or something and maybe even sit him in with the TMO for a game or two so he understands the process and sees what happens between ref and TMO.

    Leinster have had players not in match day squads in the coaches box lately to get a different view of the game and see what happens there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    A coerced apology would seem so fake to me. He'd be saying something he doesn't really mean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,667 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The appropriate response to this would be to withdraw from all in-person media for the remainder of the season.

    If the powers that be want to exert that much control over Club interactions with the media, that what results is the same old boring platitudes, with no real insight or honesty, then it would be better to have no interactions at all, just a few press releases with squad news and team selection.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I don't think you can equate the Hansen sanction with any sanctions for on field foul play. No matter what the sport is, the powers that be will always come down hard on any player who abuses or questions the integrity of a referee. It's textbook bringing the game into disrepute.

    The fact that Latu got away lightly is not in any way relevant to this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The real irony is that Busby got away with worse

    Correct, but according to an article above he always intended to apologise to the ref regardless of the disciplinary outcome so requiring it seems pointless from that point of view

    Only give yes, no and not sure as the answers in future at press conferences maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,659 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The end will justify the means here. Refereeing at Connacht games will come under more scrutiny especially when they are playing the big boys. Referees will think twice too. Not a bad result. I would imagine the players are completely behind him.

    Wilkins was correct not to silence him during the interview, that would have been worse. He may not appear at post match interviews for a while though.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    It was said in an obligatory URC post match press conference. The 'powers that be' control these events. If Hansen had said what he said directly to Busby on the field he'd have been sent off.

    It's irrelevant whether he was correct or not, you are not allowed to publicly question the integrity of a referee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Mack Hansen when the URC get him and Busby together for the apology



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,667 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm aware.

    But its not as if the fans don't see the shortcomings on the field.

    If the powers that be prefer to obfuscate than address the actual issue, then they deserve to be challenged, and ignored where possible.

    Press conferences might be obligatory, but if one or more Clubs start taking a stand over unfairness by not turning up anyway, they'll be forced to act on the substantive issue, not the optics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,051 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Sexton (in civvies) only got a 3match ban for abusing the officials on the field after a match, Hansen has been hung out to dry here, though you can see the IRFU got him back to play in the 6Ns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭lavrenti


    Now that's a good idea, but the clowns would probably find a way to fine us/deduct points if we were to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Condescending shite, an isolated incident is not indicative of systemic issues. If there was a pattern of this behaviour it would be reasonable.

    They should have just had Hansen write "credit to the boys" 1,000 times in his finest cursive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    I am surprised. I thought 1-2 match ban only.

    Yes he was wrong to say what he said as refs are critical to the game and deserve respect. It was not wise but the reality was that the ref was reacting to the crowd and selective - that must be really frustrating for a player - noting he should have said nada and used the correct channels.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Anyone know if Sexton ever directly apologised to the match officials in that one? It was a mitigating factor in the end but the panel were so dazzled by his moral probity that they didn't seek to make it a condition of the sanction. The need for attending a refereeing course was also obviated here because it was felt that there was nothing for Sexton to learn from it due to his superior knowledge of high-level reffing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Some of the comments calling this harsh are bizzare. You simply cannot make comments like that - simple as that. It's hardly unprecedented.

    If ROG or Rassie Erasmus or Joe Marler or Michael Cheika made those comments, we'd be calling them absolutely deranged.

    New report out on The42 indicating that Busby is going to retire as well. This stuff has an effect on the referee's and their personal lives; and too often comments like Hansen's encourage people online to join in on the pile on (or rather make them feel less guilty about doing so).

    The amount of comments I've seen going "but what about the other head contact - give Busby a course on that" or something to those lines is horrendous. We cannot be having role-models like Hansen giving people the idea that making these kind of comments is okay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,051 ✭✭✭✭phog


    To some extent I agree with you and I'd never agree with a pile on either online or in person on a player or an official. I would also say we've seen enough of Busby to know he's not ready to ref matches of such huge importance and before there's a pile on here, I'm well aware there's no game without a ref.

    Maybe to avoid stuff like this then maybe the media shouldn't be shoving mics in players mouths after the play a game. Just interview someone involved in the coaching or management.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 43,378 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    https://www.the42.ie/chris-busby-referee-4845206-Jan2025/

    LEADING IRISH REFEREE Chris Busby is set to confirm his shock decision to retire from professional rugby.

    The Ulster man is viewed as one of the top prospects in international refereeing but The 42 understands that he will step away from the professional game in the near future.

    Busby is listed to be an assistant referee for two upcoming Six Nations matches but it seems highly unlikely he will take up those appointments.

    His decision will cause major surprise but it’s believed many of his fellow match officials are not shocked at a high-level referee retiring amid a feeling that they are not shown enough support and respect.

    Busby’s decision comes in the wake of the case involving Mack Hansen’s stinging criticism of Busby and his fellow officials following Connacht’s URC defeat to Leinster on 21 December.

    another layer of intrigue …..



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