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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Thanks for that. The presenter nearly had an aneurysm when he made the white comment just after your time stamp! Great to see the study on the Netherlands brought up. An extremely useful study. People should hear the economic dangers brought by certain types of immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Just boring when it's constantly repeated and the outcome does nothing to stop the rising numbers coming .I think by now every poster knows your views.Curious what have you done to help asylum seekers in a personal capacity.

    As it's been reported that 90 percent of asylum seekers come from N I border control on arrivals there needs to be implemented. The Good Friday may require an amendment.

    Just 6 percent of 2400 deportation orders confirmed this year .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/12/31/just-6-of-2400-deportation-orders-this-year-are-enforced-or-confirmed/

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Looking at that study out of the Netherlands, the authors emphasize that “the adage ‘it will all work out with the second generationdoes not hold true,' stating that asylum seekers, their kids born there and family migrants who come to join them all contributed negatively to taxes and social security, costing the Dutch around €400,000 (€200k per family migrant) over their lifetimes as well as the generations that followed, becoming a further financial drain. That's not including government spending on these groups. The country benefits €100,000 from every economic migrant that arrives and works, while children of migrants who make a “net positive contribution” have a beneficial impact.

    • "The negative contribution is especially large for asylum seekers from Africa and the Middle East," say the authors. Those arriving from Sudan, Morocco, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria cost the Dutch taxpayer the most.

    No look at the origins of our asylum applicants…..

    A study from the University of Amsterdam showed the Netherlands spent €400 billion on migrants between 1995 and 2019. The total net cost of immigration was on average €17 billion p/year over that period. Equal to what the Dutch govt spent on defense & unemployment benefits “combined” in 2016. 

    You would think that such readily available info would act as a warning and put to rest claims that migrants and diversity (now DEI) are positive social and financial contributors for a healthy society. No. The Irish went everywhere….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    My take from this it was mentioned employers should not be allowed to dictate the level of immigration.A new department of home affairs and not the Dept of Children to deal with immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Of course, they do. If they have traveled across safe countries in the EU, they can always head back to those countries and claim asylum there.

    After all, there are people in this thread who have argued that Asylum Seekers can claim asylum wherever they want in the EU and don't have to claim Asylum in the first safe country they land in.

    Unless those posters were wrong, all along…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭lmao10


    You can't have countries like France having to take 100% of asylum seekers because they landed there first. It's quite ridiculous to think that is a sustainable model.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I hate this carry on, I don’t use Twitter/X so I’m only going to read what’s posted here. If you have a point to make, make it HERE. Don’t just drop a tweet and get hurt when I ask questions about it.

    The headline is about immigration having a negative effect, if there is greater context then please provide it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    of course it’s a farce. Which is why the solution is to speed up processing and speed up deportations. Why do people struggle to understand this point?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It’s the only system we have. People didn’t bother their hole to vote, so this is the outcome

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    If my idea is boring. What’s yours?

    “Do what the Danes do” is doing what we do, but faster.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    They do not have to claim asylum in the first country they arrive in.

    But they cannot go shopping for asylum in many different countries. Once you have claimed, you have made your claim.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    That’s very interesting thanks for adding the detail.

    I’m curious, is anyone making the case that we should take in more asylum seekers for the good of the country? I know we have to take them in to live up to our international commitments, but it’s for the good of the refugees.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You really should get on X. 1BN+ downloads on android alone. You'll get a completely different perspective then the warped view presented by MSM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I know it was linked over the weekend, but I hear on the radio news that Waterways Ireland was left with a bill of almost €800K for the fencing and other issues with the encampments along the canal.

    All this at the expense to the taxpayer, meanwhile prominent activists and ngo's facilitate the men repeatedly setting up new tents, also at the expense of the taxpayer. The likes if the refugee council and others really need ttighter scrutiny and oversight.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,375 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Have you ever considered these fact that there is no national outcry ( maybe here or similarly populated social media but not a national outcry ) and that maybe the " taxpayer " supports funding charities and NGOs ??

    Your opinion as a taxpayer , presuming you do pay tax, is all very well and fifty odd others posting here , all valid , but if there was a big heave against charities', or even certain charities' funding, it surely would have an impact on government budgetary behaviour , would it not ?

    I haven't heard anything about those changes as yet , have you ? ..maybe when the government is formed , or not .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Known as the First Country-of-Entry Criteria. Just imagine if it was enforced over the past decade. Do you remember when leo said it was a far myth….



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Threads. It has all the Otter content and none of the racism.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,375 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Excellent post and reply to some very base statements .

    Ironic to see people wanting to tear down human rights laws on one side while continually crying out that their own rights are being infringed on the other.

    It doesn't work in one direction only .



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I generally dislike ad hominem arguments. But if you want a fella off Gript in a Pennys suit to prove your point, you probably don’t have much of a point to begin with.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    It's a multi layered problem imo. You're right, I'm sure some taxpayers are indifferent to government spend, equally I'd say many are unaware of the waste and fact ngo's and government agencies are pitted against eachother.

    But also, the lack of proper investigative journalism by the Irish media has helped keep issues out of the media.

    To busy getting sucked into controversies like the bike shed spend than other multi euro billion waste.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Very snobbish, who cares where his suit is from. If you’re making digs about his clothes you clearly can’t address the points he made in the video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If it's anyway half decent look up the Netherlands immigration study. Eye opening. As a poster said above the only people who'll benefit from a large influx of net negative immigrants are the rich.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I didn't watch the video, I refuse to watch or read anything that may make money for Gript.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    For any liberal minded person that supports the current refugee situation, and supports no capped legal immigration; walk around our cities and ask yourself: is this the BEST version of Ireland you've lived in?
    We have so much diversity today, it must feel like the country we live in is getting better and better everyday, right?

    To me, it feels like a total kip. In fact today is the WORST version of Ireland I've lived in, and I lived through the 80's.
    I'll take the 2008 recession and the austerity over what we have going on today.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Gript Dont seem to know the difference in refugees and asylum seekers. I would always look to official EU or government sites for such information. None mention having to apply in the 1st country they land in. As per Geneva convention.

    The objective of the Dublin III Regulation is to ensure quick access to the asylum procedures and the examination of an application on the merits by a single, clearly determined EU country. The Regulation establishes the Member State responsible for the examination of the asylum application.

    The criteria for establishing responsibility are, in hierarchical order:

    • family considerations,
    • recent possession of visa or residence permit in a Member State and
    • whether the applicant has entered EU irregularly, or regularly.

    Your case may be one where Ireland requests another Member State to take charge of your application. An example of this is where another Member State has issued you with a visa, residence document, or work permit or where you irregularly crossed the frontier of another Member State prior to your application in Ireland.

    Ireland may request another Member State to take back your application because you have made an application in another Member State and that application has not yet been finalised, or you may have withdrawn your application in another Member State prior to a decision in your case being made, or your application was rejected and you are in Ireland without permission.

    https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asylum/common-european-asylum-system/country-responsible-asylum-application-dublin-regulation_en

    I suspect the IPO office understands the regulations more then anyone.

    Your case may be one where Ireland requests another Member State to take charge of your application. An example of this is where another Member State has issued you with a visa, residence document, or work permit or where you irregularly crossed the frontier of another Member State prior to your application in Ireland.

    Ireland may request another Member State to take back your application because you have made an application in another Member State and that application has not yet been finalised, or you may have withdrawn your application in another Member State prior to a decision in your case being made, or your application was rejected and you are in Ireland without permission.

    https://www.ipo.gov.ie/en/ipo/pages/eu_dublin_regulations



  • Site Banned Posts: 156 ✭✭jamieon


    100%. The same people will say their house was full when the government went looking for the public to house ukranians.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Who has ever claimed that countries take refugees for the benefit of their country? I would presume most normal thinking people understand it is for the benefit of the refugee.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    The only point he made is that members of the government don't know what they are talking about



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