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M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [Adare bypass under construction; remainder pending]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I don't see how any "temporary, non dual-carriageway, link" could possibly work. As the new motorway is north of the existing N21, westbound traffic would have to cross the eastbound carriageway to access it. That isn't going to be possible without sticking another roundabout (which doesn't have planning permission) there.

    Basically any temporary measure is not realistic unless it complies with the existing planning permission. And even if a Part 8 or something was rushed through to facilitate some temporary measure, it would still be at least as much work and hassle as building the planned tie-in.

    Unless something drastic happens, I expect earthworks to be well ahead of schedule by end of 2025. The lads doing the work have been as good as on site for months and will be ready to get stuck in in January. The Maigue bridge structure will also be well underway by end of 2025. The contractor will be saying "pay us to build the tie-in east of Adare and we'll have all done by original completion date". Hopefully we'll have a sensible Minister to make the call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    N22 had a temporary roundabout that wasn't in the planning permission.

    I'm not saying it's likely, only that it's not ruled out, and it would be built by building the bed of the mainline up to the point where it meets N21, then laying a temporary 2-lane surface on that.. basically it's a small addition to preparatory works that need to be done anyway. Alternatively, they just build the whole new mainline up to the point where it meets N21, and have a temporary ramp. If you look at the scheme map, there's an obvious place for it to connect. But again, I didn't say it's likely, only possible if needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    just looking at google maps there and the aerial photos are updated.. outline or route of the new road can be clearly seen… looks like some bit of work from rathkeale to what i presume is the junction for askeaton has been done as well..

    Post edited by awaywithyou on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Impressive progress being made on the two railway bridges on the Adare bypass section of this at 6:50 and 7:50



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Updated M21 route flyover by Dronehawk, starting outside Rathkeale and ending at Gorteen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    the people who run Clonshire Equestrian Centre who upto now have had a peaceful life living in off the main road wont know what hit them as they will have the bypass and the train passing right outside their door… no wonder they were seeking a judicial review.. what concessions did they if any get to drop the review??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭KrisW1001




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    yes maybe.. i assume if had gone ahead with a judicial review it would have held up the project???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 cameltoe86


    Looking at the previous comments Im probably out of my depth here but how do these things usually go as of now? Have been hearing the work is going to begin in January, what kind of work comes first exactly? Diggers on the ground and away they go? Or does more surveying or non-excavation work need to be done first? Is there anymore red tape or can they crack on? Can see from the videos there has been some work done already, in that the route has been drawn/mapped out. Is there a rough timeline of the various things done when building a road? (I know next to nothing about the construction/road building industry so apologies if this questions are basic (or already answered elsewhere). Just curious as to how they usually go about it



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Diggers have actually been on the ground for quite a while now as part of the preparatory works. Archeological digs, services diversions, demolition of buildings, fencing of the route etc. There is no more red tape so yes they can indeed crack on (on the Adare to Croagh section).

    Sorensen, who won the contract along with Sisk, are doing those works, so it will be a seamless transition into actual construction.

    There's no available to the public timeline for the various stages, but you would expect the large structures like the Maigue River bridge and the junctions to begin construction almost immediately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭eusap


    What is the train line for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭source


    Reinstatement of the Limerick to Foynes líne.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Mrs Dempsey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    We aren't really sure, they just skipped over most of the steps in the approval process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Pale Red


    I presume that the Adare bypass will be N21 initially to allow all traffic to avoid Adare during RC. Will it stay as N21 until Patrickswell to Rathkeale is open?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    They’ll likely be much safer in fact- everything is grade separated and fenced in both the motorway and railway line and woth noise mitigation measures will hardly notice it most likely. Also the local roads and old N21 will be much safer for local traffic like them once the bulk of the traffic is removed. It’s not likely they’re going to have negotiate motorway traffic at their front door. Any farms I’ve seen with motorways adjacent function perfectly fine once construction is completed and I’ve been on many like that



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The first sign of movement on the Adare Bypass. A section of the L8025 Graigue is to be closed for 20 months from March to December 2026.

    https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/road-notices/temporary-closure-of-roads-l8025-graigue-co-limerick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    I took a drive down a few local roads in the area last friday to see if any works were progressing. The enabling work must be nearly complete. A few items of plant near the woodlands roundabout end and looked like archaeological work ongoing on the limerick side of the L-1424 Clounanna Rd.

    Any sign of the contract being signed? Nothing on limerick socials anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    https://www.sorensen.ie/news/foynes-to-limerick-road-contract-no-1-project-update/

    A short video on Sorensons website on the enabling works



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    No idea why they keep calling this "enabling works" when the scheme is clearly under construction now. Same shenanigans with M28.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    It's a nice find but I'd say that video is probably 6 months old. There's no sign of the over bridge works over the railway which is well progressed at this stage.

    And I'll also point out that nowhere do Sorensen refer to enabling works. Their site says Contract No. 1, which is the first phase of the Adare bypass



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21



    Nice footage of the over bridge where the M21 will cross the Foynes railway at 1:40.

    Also nice to see clearance works proceeding along the online section at Monearla at 2:10



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I'd be surprised if we don't get an actual M21 video from him soon so. He usually does both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Limerick91


    Looking forward to seeing this project progress as it is on my commute which hopefully will be easier by 2027



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    It'll be interesting to see once opened as far as Rathkeale, how impactful it will be on creating added tailback congestion approaching Newcastle West. Bypasses and improved sections are known to create added tailbacks to the next non bypassed town on the route as motorists arrive far more quickly and simultaneously from the improved stretch. Assuming the NCW bypass won't happen for a good while after the M21 is completed...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Hi, someone mentioned "by 2027". Does this mean this will be completed in 2026?

    Re Newcastle West. You will have the same volume of traffic going through there as today so I don't see any improvement or disimprovement.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    No. It means August 2027 as the Ryder Cup is in September.

    As to the other point, it may be the same volume of traffic but it will all arrive at Newcastle West much more quickly than it would if it was being slowed down in Adare, therefore causing the tailback there instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Pale Red


    The tailback volume for NCW might reduce as people going to the north side of Tralee or Listowel might go via Foynes. NCW destined traffic might go via Ardagh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    I think most Listowel and northern parts of Kerry from Ballyheigue, Ballyduff, Ballybunion, Tarbert etc all currently use the N69 anyway if heading to Limerick and beyond. It'll be interesting to see what travel time to Tralee ultimately will be like via dual carriageway to Foynes or continuing on via Abbeyfeale and which is quicker.



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