Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans lifted - see OP**

From this post, and 'chooseusername's post all Im seeing is that she had plenty of social contact in a small town. Even if largely passing/superficial.

Theres no hiding a wealthy and socially prominent background in such a place. These responses have only shown that the basic details were almost definitely out about her. A local woman housekeeper, that alone may as well be a megaphone in a church. Do you know what aul-ones do? … they gossip.

The contents in chooseusernames link are humorous in a way because they show the compendium of petty little details which get stored away by typical small town locals.

"Alfie Lyons and Shirley Foster and her own housekeeper, who all confirmed that we (she?) came with a number of different male companions."

• i.e. curtain twitchers watching. the place was full of small town noseyparkers, exactly as youd expect.

"In Crookhaven, Publican Billy O’Sullivan and his son Dermot knew her for two years. They both spoke fluent French."

So a mutual contact point for the greater west Cork area conversed with her in her language over two years.

Do you think maybe he knew she was married to a famous film director? Could that maybe have come up in conversation once or twice? Possibly passing it on as he spent his working life with a bar full of small town folks.

Yet some seem to doubt that her fancy rich background was known locally. Come on. Anybody who wanted to know who she was undoubtedly knew.

Oh yes and Bailey was a small town journalist, lived within walking distance and knew her immediate neighbor.

If it's so factual and obvious, etc, why can't it be proven in a non show trial setting?

I find it helps when commenting to clarify that one is posting only about suspicion, rather than attributing guilt to any particular person.

This disclaimer can help to prevent the predictable repeat posting of there being no hard evidence.

You're allowed to suspect, and theorize. This is a place for speculation.

I dont know about that. (no motive)

I think there is over-emphasis on Bailey, yes, fair enough. But also good reason to believe that he had means, motive, and opportunity.

Means: the physical capability, and his close proximity. Which shouldnt be underestimated, a lot of people simply couldn't have committed this crime out of logistics and weak physicality. Instantly huge numbers of people look a whole lot less suspicious. Not Bailey though.

Motive: I've tried to explain this previously. His mental disorder is exactly the type associated with this victim.

Opportunity: His alibi is dubious and has changed on occasion.

There is indeed no physical evidence against Bailey, thats been repeated all too often. But we can still at least suspect without evidence, thats how most investigations start out - you wouldnt have any investigation without suspicion first.

But as far as I can see he had means, motive, and opportunity.

It would be good to have details of any other suspects, but unfortunately theres little detail on other possible ways this crime could have been committed. Bailey eats up all the limelight, probably because he fits the crime so perfectly.

Just cos you can`t see it is of little consequence. Don`t go thinking that just because you have found a small cluster of like minds online that you are part of a microcosm where your view is expressive of the majority.

Was it yourself that was on about the 99000 odd kms of roadway in Ireland recently? Did you never stop to consider that the lane way leading to Sophie`s house probably amounts to about one of those kms and that on the the night she was murdered, a woman beater(who didn`t mind using a weapon when he was dishing out his beatings), who lived a mile or so up the road from that laneway, who had expressed desires in his diary to murder multiple people, told his partner that he wanted to go up that laneway, then got out of his bed and disappeared for several hours, turned up in the morning with a least one fresh scratch on him, went on to take all the actions in the following couple of days that a murderer who needed to dispose of bloodied clothing would take and then went on to tell people he committed the murder afterwards.

That one km of roadway out of your 99000 odd. What are the odds? Yet here you are and a few others like you bleating "no evidence". Dream on.

Motive is possible but there were far more logical motives that don't require multiple assumptions to be made.

Means, probably 90% of the adult males in the vicinity, and perhaps more than 50% of the adult females could have carried out the crime.

In terms of logistics, since the gardai say it was around a 2-3 hour round trip, anyone within 3 hours drive of the crime could have committed it, which opens up perhaps half the country.

Opportunities. I don't know of any alibi in the vicinity that would be solid.

"It would be good to of any other suspects, but unfortunately theres little detail on other possible ways this crime could have been committed. Bailey eats up all the limelight, probably because he fits the crime so perfectly."

Know?

Do you know of any other suspects that might have the means, motive and opportunity? Why is there so little detail on them, do you think?

By 3 shrinks that never actually met him.

Theres a science for diagnosing mental disorders, and they followed it.

Do you think that they were lying? Putting their life long credentials on the table, in the public sphere. For their peers and authorities to destroy? To invite public ridicule?

Do you think maybe you know better than they did?

I dont know.

Is it a garda conspiracy?

The gardai don't prosecute crimes, they bring forward to the DPP for prosecution. By focusing on Bailey they eliminated the chance to prosecute anyone else. Any information released on others would create a public witch hunt, on potentially someone else who is innocent. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

With access to criminal history, court recordings, hospital records, a large quantity of private diaries, police interview records, public interviews, a professional could diagnose a mental disorder.

And 3 of them did. In 2 separate teams. On 2 separate occasions.

With at least 1 Irish judge describing him, in court, as a violent man.

Maybe for a normal person there is no apparent motive. But Bailey saw the world through the eyes of a narcisstic mental disorder, with alcoholism and regular drug use too.

So theres basically no reason to believe in a garda conspiracy.

That was one avenue I'd wondered about but it seems completely illogical now.

I mean theres no hard evidence.

The gardai are not a single entity. The idea that "the gardai" as an entity conspire together 10s of thousands of people is ridiculous. They're just like any other large organisation with a variety of different intelligences, capabilities and silos. It's possible 1 or 2 local gards might have handled things their own way early, or tried to shoehorn an investigation, and potentially ballsed the whole possibility of prosecuting anyone. Others may have had their own opinions too, but at the end of the day only one person can be prosecuted. This should be the main benefit of a cold case investigation, but who knows.

You just have to look at some of the other cases around the same time period to understand how various individuals operated.

Bye. Again.