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Why do people drive unnecessarily large cars?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I disagree.

    There are good and bad small cars just like there are good and bad big cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Will ya just stop with this. You’re essentially saying that it’s not beneficial to have your sense of hearing when cycling around what ye are claiming are very dangerous and busy streets with bad drivers everywhere . Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds, pardon the pun.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I already did stop with it (despite nobody being able to provide a specific sample scenario of a cyclist putting themselves in danger by wearing headphones).

    But since you decided to resurrect the topic, maybe you can provide us all with stats on the higher collision rates amongst those in the deaf community that cycle?

    For the record, my hearing is damaged from years of listening to loud music, principally trying to filter out some sounds from other sounds. I frequently have difficulties with conversations. I do hear traffic when I'm on a bike but obviously not all things. My impairment has not put me in danger or made me a moron. Any increase in danger was imposed on me with next to nothing I could do about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,283 ✭✭✭kirving


    The fact is, as a vulnerable road user, you cannot tell from the size of the car whether it'll be
    A) more likely to avoid a collision and
    B) more likely to injure you if a collision does occur.

    I'm not saying this is true across the board or anything, but a Range Rover is both less likely to hit you, and less likely to injure you as VRU, than the tiny VW up!

    For any collisions there the mass of one object is orders of magnitude greater than the other, the limiting factor is the weight of the lighter object. This is why babies or cats can have big falls and be ok. Anyone who brings 1st year physics KE=0.5*M*V^2 into an argument about pedestrian collisions hasn't a clue what they're talking about. (although it's very relevant in car vs. car collisions). Where the pedestrian's chest and head impact the vehicle, and the size of the plastic crumple zones are absolutely key.

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    Also, much of the anti-SUV rhetoric and pedestrian death statistics you see online are from US studies. My "SUV" on the right here isn't much bitter than the Corrola on the far left. Take off the roof rails, and the it's only about 15cm higher than than a regular C-Class.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Listening to radio in a car is not reasonably comparible to having earphones on while cycling.

    And Ma would have broken my arm for listening to you complaining on the Joe show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    To not be able to understand that taking away one of a person's senses when operating and machine, he it a car, or a bicycle, is ridiculous.

    Maybe the reason no one answered you is because the question you're asking is ridiculous and suggests you really have no understanding of how dangerous being on a road actually is.

    To then claim that you don't understand the difference between wearing headphones and listening to a car stereo is equally ridiculous and probably goes a long way to explaining why no one is taking you seriously at all.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I didn't make that claim so not sure why you're quoting me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,816 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    I’m 6’5” and used to be nearly as wide! Neither standard mini was been a problem for leg room and the doorway easier to access than a 7 series where my shoulders could not get through the doorway without rubbing off a pillar. I’m all for big cars but don’t let’s confuse than with roominess.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,429 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    To not be able to understand that taking away one of a person's senses when operating and machine, he it a car, or a bicycle, is ridiculous.

    again, you'll have to explain why then that people are calling for any impairment of hearing, while cycling, to be made illegal, but that it's perfectly OK to listen to music in your car with the windows up? how can that not impair your hearing?

    i.e. motorists are allowed impair their hearing, but not cyclists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Would you think there's a difference between a cyclist using earphones and one using a Bluetooth speaker



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Motorists are not allowed use headphones though.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,429 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i googled that, and any result i found was from the UK, and stated there's no actual law stating that motorists cannot use headphones. is there such a law for ireland?

    edit: worth mentioning that france and some US states ban them, according to a ROSPA doc i found. France for drivers, riders and cyclists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    Yes I not saying you won't fit but if you need to bring passengers in the car you won't be able to fit anyone behind you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Apparently - after googling it too - there is no specific law against it but typically a charge of driving without due care and attention would be used in such instances is my understanding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    No, but several US states have, and I lived in Vancouver for a while, illegal to wear headphones there, with exception for leaving 1 ear uncovered. Care to answer the Bluetooth/ headphone question from above?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Does anyone actually believe that drivers should/should be allowed to drive cars with headphones in their ears? As a driver, I find the idea of driving with headphones to be crazy and I had always assumed it was illegal.

    I'm wondering why it should be different for cyclists?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,429 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    well, the first response to that question would be; of course drivers would be idiots to wear headphones because the vast majority of them are driving vehicles with multiple speakers connected to radio/bluetooth/CD/etc. systems built into them.

    the argument that drivers don't need headphones (therefore cyclists don't either/shouldn't be allowed) is ignoring the rather obvious fact that drivers are driving around with hi-fi systems in their vehicles which are frequently more advanced than those they have in their homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭SeanW


    But there's a major difference between using in-car speakers vs. using headphones. Frankly I've never even tried driving with headphones, but I'd imagine it would be dramatically more likely to cause distraction.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,429 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'm sure your research, on the - quote - 'major difference' between listening to in-car speakers, in a vehicle with windows sealing you from the outside world, vs. a cyclist wearing headphones, is sound.

    sorry for sounding sarcastic, but i do not await the publication of your research paper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭SeanW


    As has been correctly pointed out, driving a car while wearing headphones is expressly prohibited in some places and likely to expose a driver to a charge to the effect of careless driving in others.

    So I'm wondering why cyclists should be held to different rules. And the only sensible comparison is to compare the same behaviours, i.e. driving/cycling while wearing headphones.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,429 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    likely to expose a driver

    likely? how many cases have been prosecuted in ireland? i'm not even going to ask for documentary evidence; i just want to know what your gut feeling is.

    short answer; there are no 'different rules' here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Perhaps. As I admitted, I do not know for certain what the laws are here and always just assumed it was against the law for a driver to drive wearing headphones, because it just seemed like a questionable thing to do.

    But I don't think it's a good idea for either drivers or cyclists to wear headphones.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    While we are on the subject of wearing headphones, there is a major difference as @SeanW rightly pointed out between listening to a car stereo and wearing headphones. Headphones (particularly, studio style ones) drown out most noise from a wearers surroundings and almost completely if they are noise cancelling. So, it would most certainly cut off any and all important audio cues from an observation perspective. Earbuds? Not so much as they don't cover the entire ear. The only exception to this may be sirens from emergency vehicles.

    Unless you are going for a bespoke set of car speakers which you intend to listen to at 70% or more volume (a la Pimp My Ride), most car speakers are situated at a comfortable enough distance from drivers ears so as to not being a distraction. Moreover, they aren't designed to withstand prolonged barrages of high decibel music and can become damaged as a result. When windows are rolled all the way up, they certainly do not soundproof the inside of the car from the outside as they are very thin, brittle and hence, prone to breakage.

    Cycling with headphones shouldn't be an issue provided that they aren't noise cancelling or drowning out most of the noise from your surroundings. If they are, then better visual observation is advised to compensate for this. Whenever I go on a brisk walk with noise cancelling headphones, I make sure to make up for this with better visual observation. If, for some god awful reason, you are wearing headphones (especially noise cancelling ones) while driving, I would task you with checking your mirrors and blind spots a lot more frequently. As with my first post in the thread, it is about adopting common sense.

    To cut a long story short, as long as your visual cues take the highest priority especially while driving, you shouldn't be a danger to yourself or others. Now, this thread is about the so called issue with the size of vehicles and not about listening to music, podcasts or other material while driving, cycling or walking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,762 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Why is anyone who drives a car with earphones a moron?

    You're right, listening to a car audio system with the windows up blocks out more sound that listening with earphones on the bike, according to some trials done in Australia some years back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,762 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Has that charge EVER been imposed on a driver for the heinous crime of wearing earphones?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Because it limits your awareness of your surroundings while driving and limits reaction time and also response to Emergency Service vehicles.

    Can you provide a link to the trail results that were performed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Can you provide a link to that research in Australia?



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