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Strange Beliefs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭COVID


    ''...so everyone to their own belief as long as it does not hurt others.''

    Apples and oranges.

    Fortune telling, Tarot cards, Astrology, and the like, are all harmless, anodyne fun, and are only taken seriously by a small minority of drooling cretins. 

    Mostly, they are a bit of a laugh and have no real control - pernicious or otherwise -  over the lives of normal, everyday people.

    Organised religion, however ...



  • Posts: 701 [Deleted User]


    Some of those things are a way of making money out of people who are grieving though. Like mediums/psychics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭COVID


    There are a lot of cynics in a lot of businesses exploiting and making money from grieving people.
    However, there are very few reports of beheadings or punishment amputations perpetrated by mediums and psychics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭rock22


    A believe that a package of code, in the form of a blockchain, has some intrinsic value .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    "Someone wrote a post saying that islamic fundamentalism is more of a danger now than christian fundamentalism"

    That's not how this started, you're trying to rewrite history there.

    Someone wrote a post about people getting killed for drawing pictures of Mohammad, relying on a once-off event from ten years ago, to suggest that this particular 'strange belief' is an ongoing issue, when recent history suggests otherwise.

    If you think that this constitutes a serious discussion about Islamic extremism, you're very naive. Like 99% of such discussions round here, it's just an excuse have a go at Muslims.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Praying on their hands and knees, who'd have thunk it?

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    I agree with you on the 'pure bullshit', mind you. Imagine trying to persuade an adult who hadn't been brought up in any religion that Catholicism or Islam or any of these was actually true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,925 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Why is Dawkins a dick?

    He assumed, obviously wrongly, that a modern, educated, intelligent journalist didn't actually believe that Mohammed flew up to Heaven on a winged horse. Like 99.9% of right thinking adults would.

    But he was baffled and shocked to see that he did. He wasn't being a dick, he was just showing genuine shock at this silly belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Data surely, not code? There's no code in an individual blockchain entry afaik.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    There was a similar case in Knock. Fatima. Medugorje - the list is a long one.

    These cases are never proven, but they are always used to attract money to the area.

    That's the real miracle. All the rest is a mirage.

    Actually, no, there is more reality in a mirage as it is a real, natural phenomenon. These cases come about every couple of decades in order to draw in the gullible, and in order to appear modern and objective the Vatican either ignore them, or even denounce them - but as they are money spinners, the denunciation is not too vigorous..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭rock22


    You probably know more than I do about them, but my understanding is that each block is data but the system involves code to create and read blocks. Either way, the believe that it has some intrinsic value is. to me, a strange believe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,631 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    99.9% of adults aren't atheists. A quick wiki check says 14.8% of people in last irish census said no religion. 37% in England and Wales and 51% in soctland in their last census said same.

    So there's a big chunk of people who believe in god. I don't agree with them, but questioning them on their beliefs and talking down to them is a dick move. Unless, of course, the religious is trying to impose their wills and beliefs on you.

    My mother is quite religious. My ex's parents (my son's grandparents) are very religious. I fundamentally disagree with them, but they don't question my lack of belief so why should I question theirs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,147 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the world of money is a very strange world, a lot of it is based on trust between humans, and a lot of it simply doesnt add up, we ve invented an astonishing thing, but its also extremely vulnerable and susceptible to human imperfections….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I know relatively little about them, but yes, my understanding is that each blockchain entry is data that is generated by hugely intensive code that uses huge amounts of electricity, something that is generally in short supply, in order to keep the techbros pyramid scheme going.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    I'm not referring to Knock, Fatima or any other instance. I'm referring to Garabandal.

    Clearly you have already reviewed what happened there or you wouldn't be nullifying it. I'd be interested to know more about your findings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    I'd never heard of the apparitions at Garabandal until you mentioned them. From reading this article, amongst other things, the children appear to have predicted the salacious scandals within the church, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But I don't get why this article puts an emphasis on 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,896 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Why is this one particularly special in your opinion? I never heard of it until you posted about it, but I don't see the difference in this and other visions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Every aspect of our life is governed by trust in other human beings, pick anything; working, transport, governance, etc. Millions of people place their lives in the hands of other humans every single day.

    I wouldn't describe the "world of money" as a strange belief. It's simply a practical system that has evolved over millennia through trial and error. There's no guarantees of anything, but current iterations generally function, even through crises, wars, etc. To date, no one has come up with something that works better (or less worse). There are isolated tribes in the middle of nowhere that have come up with their own systems of money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    People who just believe an accusation.

    Its the strangest thing, which I remember didnt used to exist so much.

    But thats how it works today, if you simply accuse someone theres a large segment of society which will take it as fact, no questions. A fairly large percent of the population being moderately-seriously below average iq. They'll buy it. They'll simply believe.

    And its not just for celebs unfortunately.

    Pair this with the Chinese telephone, Karens, trolls, social media. Dangerous mix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    yes thats one.

    but on the other hand is the belief that white people from New York, with a half Jewish grandparent of German Christian lineage going back 200 years, are more entitled to a piece of land on the other side of the globe than some guy who has a long lineage in the same area, probably with more Judaism in his heritage, just because at some point there was a conversion to Islam for the local guy. And a recent semi conversion to Jewish for the other guy.

    basically in that situation there are going to be cases of 90% non-Jews with a 10% sprinkling of Jewishness in their lineage, versus guys whos last 6 generations were fully Jewish but then with a conversion to the wrong religion at some recent point.

    then you end up with pasty white guys pushing olive skinned/semitic locals out, and calling them anti-semites, while rocking ginger hair and skin cancer because they have the genes of a northern european. thats why Israel is a center of skin cancer diagnoses. while all around them isnt. cause those syrians, palestinians etc never left the area, they just changed religion at some point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Why do you call it "Transphobia" ?

    "Phobia" - Meaning from Dictionary - "An uncontrollable, irrational, and lasting fear of a certain object, situation or activity"

    Where in the statement, "That someone can become a man or woman by simply saying they are now a man or a woman", is there any element of uncontrollable, irrational or lasting "fear" ?

    The poster is simply pointing out the ridiculous idea that by someone stating that they are a specific gender, even if its contrary to their already genetically and gender decided sex, that somehow all that magically disappears and they are from that moment on, the gender of their choosing…..there's no "fear" shown in expressing ones dismay at this ludicrous idea, hence the adjective "Transphobia" is utterly inaccurate and incorrect.

    If a child comes to you and tells you they're Batman for example, are they "actually" Batman until they decide they're bored of that game and more so, should anyone who heard the child proclaim they're Batman be forced to assume the child is the real Batman and he \ she be forced to publicly address them as such ?

    I think not, because one scenario is as absurd as the other.

     



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    The mistake belief that a UFO is somehow from another world, when all UFO stands for is Unidentified Flying Object, meaning it might be a high altitude balloon, a bird, a trick of the light, a comet or whatever? It might even be from another world if proof was provided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Sorry if this is bad news for you, but transgender people exist. You don't get to wipe out their existence with a catchy slogan.

    PS I'm not really sorry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I have to agree with the other poster, they exist and this isn't something new (goes back to ancient times)

    Since then and when I was growing up in the e.g. 80's and 90's it wasn't much of an issue. It's always been widely known about and not a big deal.

    It's only recently that it's become a big issue due to people acting insane about it (on both sides).

    Not going to get into that debate, but it again leans into the much larger issue that the internet (and chiefly social media) is definitely fuelling strange beliefs. Some of which are very toxic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Beliefs are great, and you can either believe in something or not not believe, as the case may be. Transubstantiation has been around since ancient times, I don't don't believe in it myself but others do. People say UFOs have been around since before Christ. yet I'm not a believer. My sister believed she was a Goth in the 1980s and this I do believe, for we have the pictures to prove it 😊

    She grew out of it as the craze wore off ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,896 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There are pictures of trans people too you know..........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    Coincidentally I was reading up on the Roman Emperor Elegabalus earlier. His behaviour was seen as being classically transgender. He loved to dress and act in a feminine way, preferring to called a Lady instead of a Lord. He was also willing to throw huge amounts of money at a physician who would be able to create a vagina for him. Anyway he was assassinated before his dream could come to fruition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    I knew a girl who was a goth as well. She also didn't know if she was male or female despite the hours she spent in doctors offices with menstural pains every month.

    It seemed quiet obvious to most people what she was. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Transgender men have ovaries, have periods, have babies. That seems obvious to most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,896 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    You do know transgender men were born women yes?



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