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Question about used Leaf

  • 14-12-2024 12:19AM
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    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭


    I have posted this on the My Nissan Leaf forum but that’s based in the States afaik so I thought I would post here as well. Hope that’s ok.

    I'm looking at a car tomorrow. It's a private sale in Dublin and the owner is selling because he's moving country at the end of next week. So not a lot of time!

    It's a late 2017 30 kWh model with 63,000 km on it. This will suit my driving needs if it's up to snuff. 3 owners. He has a service history but I'm not sure how far back that goes. The battery health shows 11 out of 12 bars, which as I understand it is around 82%. He's asking very reasonable money for it as he has to sell it within the week, either privately or to a dealer at a much reduced price.

    The thing is, even though I have downloaded LeafSpy I don't have an OBD reader and won't have time to get one before I see the car. So I will have to rely on the bar reading.

    How does this sound? If I'm happy enough with the overall condition and how it drives is it safe enough to go ahead? (No guarantees I know). Or should I insist on getting a reader and checking the battery that way? I think these models don't come up so often here so he might get another buyer if I delay. I have read that some of the 30kwh batteries were problematic, at least in the States. Was that true here as well?

    One detail I should add is that I need to travel to see my daughter who lives about 100km away so a 200k round trip. I do that about once a month or every two. There are charge points near her so I would hope to be able to do the trip with the battery fully charged with one charge stop near her after visiting and then home again. I could also plug the granny charger in for a few hours while there. Does that sound feasible in this car, given the 82% battery capacity?

    Any advice greatly appreciated, also anything else I should check or look out for? Thanks!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭loopymum


    I would not worry about the service history anyway. It's out of warranty.

    Where does your daughter live? You will be limited to chademo chargers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭loopymum


    How much is the car? Whats your budget?

    Older ioniq ev is much better suited to your longer trips.

    If your daughter is somewhere near portlaoise or along that route&you are travelling from Dublin there are lots of chademo chargers



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Thanks for that. The Ioniq is out of my budget really. I think service history is still important for the overall condition of the car.

    My daughter lives near Athy and I think there are C. chargers around there, or on the way home which should be ok hopefully.

    The Leaf is up for 6k and I am trying to keep it well below 10. I’ve seen a couple of very nice Zoe’s for close to 11 but that’s too much.


    Going to see the Leaf now so fingers crossed! Thanks again for replying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭Firblog


    Wouldn't worry about availability of chademo, there are loads, also I assume you'd be visiting your daughter for a few hours? Then ESB 22Kw chargers will work fine for you - I'd be interested to hear what kinda money that leaf you're looking at is for sale for too..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,738 ✭✭✭893bet


    any “pressure” sale is too be avoided IMO. End of week bullshite.

    No one has to move that urgently and if so they can pass it to the trade.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    That’s great about the charge points and yes I’ll be able to plug in at her house but it will just be the domestic 3-pin as they don’t have a charger and they’re in the middle of the country! So I’ll have to charge properly in Athy or wherever. The price of the car is in my last post.

    They are a young family from Singapore and are moving home next Sunday so that is why he has to sell the car quickly. He’s had it up for a good while. I’ve no doubt he is genuine, a very nice guy in fact. He was prepared to sell it to the trade if necessary but much better if he can sell privately.

    So I bought the car anyway as it was grand and drove fine etc. Fingers crossed it works out in the long run.🤞 Gave him a deposit and he’s happy for me to buy an OBD reader and double check the battery with LeafSpy before taking it. Picking it up on Tuesday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Roughly 6K?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Late 2017 would make the battery warranty late 2025 no?



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Thanks for that reassurance, yes I hope so! The problem with the reader is I ideally need one before Tuesday evening so that I can check it when I go to pick up the car, before paying the balance. Is there anywhere I could pick one up in or around Dublin? Mick's Garage have a couple of them but they're not compatible with EV's. Otherwise I'll order yours and just test it later.

    Yup.

    That would be fantastic. Does the 8 year battery warranty apply here and can it be transferred between owners?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Apparently this one also works but does anyone have experience with it?

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B011NSX27A/ref%3Dnav_signin?ie=UTF8&psc=1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Sounds like you're buying regardless, so just order one and check the health after to give you longevity of peace of mind.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Yes it looks that way as so far I haven't been able to source one locally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Just wondering, I don’t need all the detailed information so would the free version of LeafSpy be adequate for info about battery health? Also will the free one work on recent versions of Android as I read somewhere that it might not? My phone is a Huaweii P30.

    Also, is it possible to get basic battery health info by using another scanner, i.e. not LeafSpy? I was considering a Zoe before and the owner was able to get this info via a generic reader. I don’t know if that’s doable on the Leaf.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    I just called the Nissan dealers who have serviced the car from the start and apparently the battery still has 5-6 months of warranty left on it. That is very good news, as long as the girl I spoke to got the right information. 👍️ 🤞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Are you worried about the battery?



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    No, not particularly. It’s just it’s my first EV and it was also a private sale. Plus I’ve read a few reports of problems with the 30kWh Leaf battery so it was a relief to hear that there is some warranty left, just in case. I was alerted to the issues on the My Nissan Leaf forum where it was suggested that I run various tests before buying, which I didn’t get to do. Anyway, the car and battery seem fine so far but I’ve yet to do a long run. I’m also going to order that OBD adaptor to use with LeafSpy while I still have some comeback. 🤞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    So, the 30kWh battery suffered relatively higher degradation than its predecessor. My SiL has a 2016 30kWh and the range started as better than my 2014kWh Leaf by a good 30-40km and with similar mileage of 120k, I would say both cars had pretty much the same range up to last summer. She has owned it about 5 years now.

    However, that car will serve you well for years to come as long as you don't do regular long trips. I like to think of them as a county car. Stay in your county and you'll be grand. The 40kWh I would say it's just about suitable to use all over Ireland, but not if you do regular long journeys, as you will have to charge most times. If I do Dublin to Cavan to Mullingar for example, I know I will need to get a full charge at the destination and will have to watch the heavy foot.

    LeafSpy works best with iOS. I don't know if it's even available on Android anymore? I think if it is, it is only the paid version. In any case, the paid version is worth it. It's a one off payment and gives you greater access to the car. It's about the cheapest scanning device and software you will ever buy.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Great, thanks for that. I will need to do a 100k journey every month or two to visit my daughter in Laois but I’m fine to use the granny charger while there and do a proper charge somewhere local or on the way home as well. Apart from that it will be mostly local driving around South Dublin. So hopefully that should be ok. I’ll have to learn more about the best way to drive it to optimise range, once I get the time!

    I have installed the free version of LeafSpy on my Android phone and yes, I’ll probably upgrade to the paid one or else put it on my iPad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,319 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I would be very cautious on long trips. Real world range at high speed in winter can be bad. Restrict top speed to 80km/h until you know you can safely make the trip.

    A granny cable can only charge at 2kW/h meaning it would take 15 hours to fill back up from empty, if you are at your daughter's that long. Otherwise you need to public charge.

    See plugshare app, filter by chademo and look for places to stop on the way. Stop early and often until you get the hang of it. Dont risk getting stuck.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Ok thanks, all good advice. No it’ll only be for a few hours so I will definitely need to public charge. I already have Chargemap but I’ll get that one as well.

    Is it best to use Eco mode when on a long trip?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭zzap64


    I always have Eco mode on. If you need to go full power for an overtake etc. you can press the accelerator pedal all the way to the floor and that cancels it out.

    Also, ignore the Guess 'o Meter. If you want a more pessimistic range calculation, press the little blue button and click range estimation, that'll give you both the very optimistic and more pessimistic (realistic really) range.

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    I have a 171 30kWh and my rule of thumb is worse case, 1% battery = 1km. Regular / Best case is roughly 1% battery = 1.5km. Unless you are heavy uphill / headwind / motorway, then things could be worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Yes I know to take the guess-o-meter reading with a large grain of salt, good to know there’s a more realistic estimate available. Around town I seem to be getting about 1.4km per percent and that’s with heating, heated seat and steering wheel on. May as well enjoy the luxuries the car provides, even if it loses some range as a result. Not on longer journeys though! I’m still getting used to driving differently, e.g. making use of regenerative braking etc.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I too would use Eco mode almost 100% and in B mode but if you are on a long drive like a motorway run I would turn everything off and let the car freewheel as much as possible as regen in the Leaf is relatively poor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭zzap64


    Your model most likely has a heat pump so once it gets going, energy usage from it won't be a lot. For me (set at around 16 degrees), it uses about 3% of my battery / range.

    The heated steering wheel and seats use very little, talking about 100's of watts when the engine could be using 30,000 watts when accelerating!

    The menu after pressing the little blue button has a energy usage screen. Very useful for seeing how much energy you are using. Heating does use a lot for a couple of minutes when first turned on, until the heat pump gets going.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    How do you let it freewheel on the motorway? I presume you mean just light acceleration and minimal surges? Otherwise you’d just come to a standstill!

    So the reason it uses more energy in winter is not to do with having heaters etc. on? Just coping with cold temperatures then? Yes I have to sit down and get to grips with the centre console etc. Very handy.

    My car doesn’t have any mud flaps though I think I can see where they’re supposed to go in front of the rear wheel arches. However I can’t see any place for them at the front wheels. I have read that some people take them off to improve range but I can’t imagine it making that much difference. So I’d like to replace them if not as the car is getting covered with mud on the sides when it’s raining. Does it take 2 or 4 flaps? Nissan can no longer supply them so does anyone know where to source them? Thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭zzap64


    So the reason it uses more energy in winter is not to do with having heaters etc. on? Just coping with cold temperatures then? Yes I have to sit down and get to grips with the centre console etc. Very handy.

    The main problem with low temperatures is that the battery can accept less charge, so you basically have a smaller battery when it's cold. I also researched that colder air is denser and thus a bit harder for the car to cut through!

    My LEAF with about 80% SOH seems to be getting hammered with range when it's less than 4c or so this winter. :(



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Ok well I only intend to charge it to 80%, unless doing a long trip, so maybe that will be less affected by the temp. Cutting through the cold air is difficult for the best of us! Good to know that hopefully range will improve in the warmer weather anyway.

    I just got my OBD reader today so hopefully I’ll be able to find out more about the battery health. I’ll see how I get on with the free version (Android) first but will upgrade if necessary. I’m not one for too much technical info, just enough to assess the SOH really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Genghis


    @MarcusMaximus good luck with the new car, sounds like you got a bargain.

    I had a 161 30kwH Leaf and like @zzap64 says I used 1% = 1km, and it served me very well.

    Nissan make great cars, we now have a 2020 Leaf mark 2, in 6 years driving have never had an issue (well, except a puncture, like most cars nowadays, there is no spare tyre: make sure the seller has the emergency foam can in the boot).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭MarcusMaximus


    Thanks for that, yes the car is great and really good value for the money as fast as I can tell. I agree about Nissan generally being good cars, solid and reliable. My partner has a 13 Juke which has really never given her any trouble. I test-drove a couple of Zoe's and although I really liked them, the Leaf feels like a more substantial car. Yes the puncture kit is there alright though I'm going to get a plug kit as I don't want to risk messing up the TPMS by using the sealant.

    So the OBD reader works like a charm with Leaf Spy. So far I've only used the Lite version. Here is the result screen:

    Leaf Spy result.jpg

    This was done cold without charging or driving it first. The SOH is what I expected given it lost 1 bar over the last few months according to the previous owner. I'm not sure what the AHr or Hx readings tell me (I do know that AHr is Amp Hours!) but is 152 quick charges a lot for a 7.5 year old car? The main graph looks ok to me with 9 mV difference, am I right there? What do those two blue lines mean though? Anything else of note?

    Thanks!



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