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Would GAA (football) solve a lot of its problem if it had a single, proper championship?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭gaffer91



    It's a concern for both the Leinster Championship and the All-Ireland series which it feeds into. I'm concerned for all counties. Unfortunately, I would say Leinster is beyond fixing. It died a death, years ago by this stage. So the best we can do is scrap it entirely, or at the very least, unlink it from the All-Ireland series. You could maybe play it before the League or something but the way attendances and interest are collapsing, I don't think there is much appetite for that- in a few years, there would probably be only two men and a dog at the Leinster Final. I could turn this around on you though- what are your ideas for fixing the Leinster Championship/ All-Ireland structure?

    As before though, we can't just scrap the Leinster Championship- if that goes, all Provincials should go. After that, probably a seeded open draw. Could have prelim rounds or some sort of removal processes for the very worst teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    And once again more nonsense from this poster , 14 years of nonsense actually .The reality is the absolute shambles of the Munster Championship must be addressed. 100 years of total dominance by one County has led to declining interest .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Go away with your nonsense , Munster is beyond fixing , your only concerned for one County !! Your only fooling yourself , another year of this rubbish Jesus Wept !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭Charlo30


    Ok. So no ideas to fix Leinster. We'll move on then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    The usual offenders starting up after their own 270 page carousel “discussion” was eventually shut down. Has split Dublin vs split Kerry being mentioned yet?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Not yet , time to shut this nonsense down now , the usual offender is back on his 14 year agenda !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    and ye will give him the same nonsense in reply that you did for 200 pages of another thread. Takes two to tango. You won’t ignore will you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    A 14 year agenda of anti Dublin nonsense !

    Nope i wont ignore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Did you smash it




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    being one of the driving forces of a 270 page thread that was setup to herd all the moon howlers into one location and went around in endless circles (split Dublin/split Kerry) is not something to be proud of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Split Kerry was only mentioned to show the bitter anti Dublin nonsense was just that nonsense

    Sure your a great lad yourself , never moon howled in your 4341 posts , well done you i'm sure your very proud of yourself .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Did you smash it




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    you argued for 200 plus pages towards a point you didn’t believe in. Have a word with yourself.

    I’m out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    More fool you for believing everything you read , close the door after you 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    These reforms do help the counties in Leinster. In fact, they help everyone. Letting the Leinster Championship continue in its dead state, and feeding into the All- Ireland helps nobody. Still waiting on your suggestions for how to improve Leinster and the All- Ireland? These aren't the only reforms either (we need reforms to how the game is played too for instance) but for the purposes of this thread, scrapping the Provincials and going for a seeded open draw is all that is really relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Dunnerc is trying to bait and drag the thread off topic. Tbh it is best to just ignore him and grapple with the issues. That's what I do these days. No point engaging (as you presumably saw yourself from your exchange after this post). He mostly just repeats what is said to him with a word or two changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Letting the Munster championship continue in its dead state is ridiculous .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭piplip87


    You can talk all you want about the provinces but theres not a hope in hell Ulster will give it up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I agree it will be difficult but what's the alternative? Leave the Leinster Championship as it to continue in its dead state, feeding into the All- Ireland? Supporters just don't want that.

    I notice people generally don't dispute that the Provincials should be scrapped - they just say it would be impractical to do so. That's not a great argument I feel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Also leaving Munster in its dead state , supporters don't want that , i feel your argument is pure nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Provincial championships are going nowhere. The lopsided provincial draws need to be addressed. The league offers a fair 1 to 32. Just a simple matter of using that ranking for balanced provincial draws. If Cork and Kerry are the top 2 Munster counties on league ranking, Clare should potentially have to beat one of them to make the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    What's your proposal for dealing with the shambles of the Leinster Championship then? While seeding is probably a marginal improvement it really will make no difference to competitiveness or interest there. They'll continue to decline under your proposed reforms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,853 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Just on the single proper championship issue. @Bucke

    That's the main problem and mindset wise the Ulster crowd are very territorial for obvious reasons. Basically the Ulster Council is holding any ideas back.

    I am a bit mixed on Ulster yeah it is competitive, but Jayus they can play some turgid stuff. I remember looking at the same match can't remember who. But it was televised both on RTE and BBC. On the BBC you would swear it was the best match in the history of football, the commentators were extremely animated etc. On RTE the vibe was, "This is not the best of games". It was hillarious and this was exactly the same match!

    Main problem with Ulster is they mostly all play the same way, same safety first keep ball stuff. (Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Monaghan) And they might break on the counter. Thankfully Tyrone seem to be a bit more off the cuff these days letting star forwards cut loose.

    I think eventually the provincials will end up as the new "preseason" competitions. Then the "championship" will be two seeded championships based on league positions. Div 3 and 4 in a blitz style to get a top 4 in the championship 2. And div 2 and 1 the same idea for championship 1.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Connacht, Munster and Ulster should have decent provincial finals anyway.

    Leinster should probably consider a Tier 2 Championship at least to try and raise standards. At least 5 counties in the Tier 2. That is a Leinster matter. I merely suggest for consideration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    What's your proposal for dealing with the shambles of the Munster Championship ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Fair enough and I appreciate Leinster is a hard problem to solve given the scale of the problems there. But that proposal won't make any difference to standards there? It will still be an uncompetitive shambles even with seeding and a Tier-2 competition. Even if it does somehow make a difference it'll take years- which means more declining interest, competitiveness etc. Leinster needs radical reform, quickly. And I also don't think one Province alone should be treated a certain way- either they all should go or all remain the same. I think they all should go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    the Gaelic championship has far too many teams. That’s the basic problem. More than half are making up the numbers and make no impact season after season. An open draw won’t fix that problems. Jim Gavin’s new rules isn’t even addressing that problem.

    There are 18 teams in the afl and that’s a professional league for a far larger country that imports players from other countries.

    In 10 years hopefully there will be 10-12 professional teams but there’s an omertà around the real problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,853 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The provincials have really odd breakdowns all over the shop with teams of varying quality.

    The map of the teams from the national league really tells a story

    nfl gaa map 2024.jpg

    How often do people look at it though? It really shows how unbalanced the championship is. In a word it is just daft.

    beakdown of league by province 2024.jpg

    The table above shows how unbalanced it is Connacht have only 5 teams come championship time NY and London are thrown in for the craic, yet Leinster have 11 why 11 counties?!! 7 of them were division 3/4……

    The south east of the country is a football wasteland in particular. Munster and Leinster have only 1 div 1 county each. Ulster will have four division 1 teams four!! Yet people wonder why the provincials are not competitive??????

    I know the Rossies got relegated to div 2 but they were hard done by and had a decent league. Monaghan are finally on the dip after been greater the sum of their parts for years. But they have now been replaced by two div2 ulster teams who got promoted.

    - Ulster 9 teams meaning a preliminary competition is needed for at least two teams have to have a preliminary competition.

    The whole thing is madness.

    What they should do is the following

    Based on the league wouldn't a idea be that each "conference" be created after the league div 1 teams get a bye to the last 10.

    Div 3 and 4 teams play each other in a knockout blitz (preseason as they did not like the preseason competitions being scrapped, this would solve it). Come championship time the top two from this go unseeded against the seeded top two from div2 in a play off.

    Leading to a group of 8 from division 1 and a final two from that play off system - with 10 counties which can play in a round robin knockout home and away resulting in a top four which go on to the AI semi finals.

    I have not forgotten about NY by the way. They no longer compete in the championship but are a venue on rotation for an all star match— proceeds going there

    What of the Ulster Championship?

    Ulster can change the name of the McKenna Cup to the "Ulster championship" if they wish and run if off preseason. And this is where I think Ulster needs a firm hand, if they don't abide by the "new" championship structure they should be suspended from the championship proper, and fined. Connacht can change name of the FBD to the "Connacht championship if they wish. Make it a preseason competition

    Change the voting system at Congress, one province/and single county should not be allowed to hold the others to ransom IMO. The same goes for ANY other county that kicks up a fuss.

    Time and again the league as shown that football in this country is div 1 plus the top 2 from div2. The rest bring the standard way down. The championship should reflect the reality.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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