Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

We want a Palestinian state.

That will work for sure.

party capable of governing Palestine

There's one already running the show and they do remarkable job.. Certainly having Palestinians as a number one priority.

You've probably misunderstood what I meant by that, or just deliberately trying to pursue the point of yours, whatever that is.

Which is why I asked you a question - its not a gotcha - just a simple question.

So now I'm assuming that you're not OK with Palestinians civilians being ethnically cleansed because of the actions of Hamas.

Big moral win for the zionists. One of the latest OAPs to meet his death at the business end of a tank shell in Gaza was the last orthopedic surgeon left there. He had come out of retirement to try to help his people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyv3m71g1q0o

Remember when the Palestinians were told to head south to Rafah because it was safe zone ?

Another legitimate militant target taken out

Imagine having the temerity to fundraise for, and then operate, a soup kitchen which was keeping starving kids alive

And in a scene reminiscent of the Mariupol theatre bombing, he had started a school for kids, writing signs on the roof saying it was a school and asking it not to be bombed……It was of course bombed.

Mod Edit: Warning issued for breach of forum charter

Mod Edit: Warned for discussing moderation on thread

Interesting, as the media here, and everyone else from our politicians to the Catholic church (as shown in the previous post statement) trot out the exactly same line / propaganda as Al Jazeera, and take everything Al Jazeera say as gospel and repeat it.

"One former soldier" you say. Israel has conscripts, one former soldier could choose to say anything. However, we do know:

Hamas claimed it fired 5,000 rockets in a 20-minute initial barrage, sending projectiles up to 80 kilometres into Israeli territory. Israel's military said 2,500 rockets were fired.  

“The Hamas fighters were battle-hardened and knew the topography of the area,” said FRANCE 24's specialist in jihadist movements, Wassim Nasr, in the aftermath of the events. 

Drones armed with explosives were used to neutralise the Israeli watchtowers topped with machine guns near the Gaza border.  

Israeli military equipment positioned close to the border, including armoured vehicles, was also targeted. So were telecommunications infrastructure, including a pylon destroyed near the Be’eri kibbutz.  

The aim was to quickly disable Israeli military communications and cameras near Gaza. 

Explosives were used to create dozens of breaches in the security fences. Where they couldn't break through to Israel, Hamas fighters fired rockets from positions a few hundred metres from the border. 

The surprise attack was well-coordinated and rapidly executed.  

Commandos on motorbikes and pick-up trucks quickly infiltrated Israeli territory, before bulldozers widened the gaps in the fence to allow larger vehicles to pass through.  

Hamas also used motorboats to reach Israel by sea and motorized paragliders to infiltrate by air.  

Clashes erupted at several points along the Gaza security barrier, notably at the Erez border crossing in the north of the Gaza Strip.  

Israeli soldiers were overwhelmed and some were captured as hundreds of vehicles from Gaza crossed the border to continue the assault. 

Some 1,200 Hamas fighters – 2,900, according to Israel – were involved in the operation that day. The commandos had precise, designated objectives – a “battle plan”, as Israeli intelligence later called it.   

The targets were both military and civilian. Most of the targets were hit in under 30 minutes. 

The simultaneous attacks caught the Israeli security apparatus off guard. For several hours, civilians and soldiers were left to fend for themselves. 

Between 6.30am and 8.30am, Hamas targeted several Israeli military bases.  

The attacks spread from north to south, along the border between the Gaza Strip and Israel. Hamas hit Erez, Zikim, Nahal Oz, Sufa, Re'im and two bases near Be’eri and Kerem Shalom. At 10am, the Israeli army acknowledged that armed Palestinians had entered at least three military sites. 

Fierce fighting ensued. The bases are attacked with grenades, rocket launchers and automatic weapons, as numerous Hamas propaganda images later showed. In some instances, Israeli soldiers were roused from their sleep by the fighting. 

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20241007-hamas-terrorist-attacks-7-october-deadliest-day-israel-history-anniversary

I'm afraid the only proxy here is the relationship between the PA and Israel.

I attacked no-one - simply asked for a source or evidence for a claim that was made.

"A testing ground for technological warfare. We saw a number of drones dropping bombs and then off the back of those drones they've got quadcopters that come down and shoot anything that's left moving. We had a number of children telling us they would just have to lay there after an explosion so that they wouldn't get shot"

Be under no allusions about what's happening over there.

Isn't it mad the power of hasbara to the people who so so want to believe it

Even when it is debunked ("babies in ovens" lie), it can still be brought up as some kind of justification for blowing starving and helpless women and kids to bits with high-tech long distance weaponry.

How do we get around such brainwashing of (presumably gullible or at least susceptible to misinformation) people

You do not think Hamas committed atrocities?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-roasted-babies-in-ovens-israel/

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/head-of-israels-ems-service-describes-horror-of-seeing-babies-slaughtered-by-hamas/