Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

I said WE don’t have the same history of immigration as other countries in Europe - by that I mean that other countries in Europe have a history of trying to expand their colonies, the British Empire being the most obvious one, and they haven’t shifted to the right if we’re talking about their Government?

Populism exists on both the left and right of the political spectrum, even after Germany’s CDU took in a million Syrian refugees in 2015, the electorate abandoned them and veered left… and then in 2024 - some went left, some went right, and everything got a bit messy. Similar story in France.

It DOES matter that they’re all singing from the same hymn sheet now because it shows that while the electorate isn’t happy with how the current Government are handling immigration and asylum seekers and so on, the Irish electorate isn’t interested in nationalistic or nativist rhetoric from parties which that’s the only tune they know.

We’re not down any path because we were never on the colonial path in the first place like countries in Europe (France, Spain and Sweden all had empires) in which many people in the countries that were colonised, settled in the countries of their colonisers (they were subjects of the King or Queen after all), whereas Ireland took something of a different approach in that we trained and sent out shìtloads of missionaries to foreign countries, a lot of them in Africa, which is why it really shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that Ireland is a popular destination for people from African countries seeking asylum in Ireland.

The impact of asylum seekers and refugees on any country is zero, because they have no power to effect change. The negative impact of poor Government however, well that’s far more obvious, but asylum seekers and refugees can’t be blamed for that, and it really doesn’t appear to bother enough of the electorate that they’re shifting towards electing anyone spouting nationalistic nativist rhetoric.

I've no data to answer your question. From the independent:

A secret briefing paper from the Department of Justice said the State urgently needed to resume deportations as the majority of applicants for international protection were economic migrants.

I don't even know if that's correct but it might help you with framing an answer to the questions you are asking. Here's one from earlier in the century.

Both suggest that there may be issues with the asylum process currently and historically. I was chatting with an Indian taxi fellow last night who was very upset about the Somali asylum seekers. He brought it up himself as we passed an asylum center.

In general, things seem fine but if we reach a point where only the very rich and very poor get housing, resentment might build.

It's probably an issue the needs to be looked at objectively but cognisant of the need to accommodate people already in Ireland whether they be asylum seekers, international students, Irish citizens or otherwise.

Tldr, I can't answer your question but some links and speculation might help to frame the issue for you.

The fact that someone, as you point out, can go from being illegal to legal simply by claiming asylum, regardless of any genuine need for asylum, is why the system as it stands is not fit for purpose and in need of reform. Makes a mockery of the legal immigration system.

Means there's no such thing as illegal immigration in practice since all illegal migrants have to do is claim asylum and they stop being illegal. It is essentially giving illegal migrants a loophole by which they can bypass the normal legal immigration procedures.

Well then the government could solve the whole problem of illegal people in Ireland by encouraging them to claim asylum. Problem solved! They instantly become legal.

This is why the concept as it stands is absurd and is in need of a rethink.

You appear to be just making it up as you go along in order to support your assertion that the system which is already in place is somehow in need of reform.

You don’t state what those reforms are, but I don’t imagine you’ll get very far in suggesting that a system which exists by which illegal immigrants can apply for asylum is somehow making a mockery of the whole immigration system. It’s why an amnesty was offered, to encourage illegal immigrants already here to avail of a legal process which would legitimise their status.

So there should be another amnesty is that your solution.A lot of posters here have the basic idea that things are fine as they are . Asylum once claimed they are not illegal do I say otherwise and the reason to claim can be to seek a better life . I have not seen any proof when asked that it's grounds for seeking asylum..The point has been reached whereby only tents are offered due the rising numbers. To speed up decisions by hiring more staff will only allow more to remain here puts more pressure on accommodation unless the bar is raised on decisions.The state cannot adequately cater for them and is likely to be sued for not accommodating them properly.

Well it does appear to be a way to stay get free accommodation and work after time . Just say you want a better life and appeal appeal.

I am not asking anything.

The vetting does not include any criminal record in their home country.

It's not anecdotal, has a link, is published on RTE site so can't dismiss that. Although it's common sense and we can't be having that. Keep linking it here for all to see. Where are the usual comrades to knock this one away as too hard to implement so why bother ?