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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    They're blocking the political content of a dictator, not those that oppose him.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    Then no problem in letting me see it.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭brickster69


    They might have to add Euronews to the list given the amount of " propaganda " they are letting loose as well today.

    People here have been saying about this debacle for a good few weeks now and all of a sudden the worlds media starts picking up on it all at once.

    It must be horrendous for those soldiers sat in the woods all day now the rain has come and the few roads are covered by drones 24/7. There was an article the other day about the Russians setting up ambushes all around petrol stations because all the vehicles are running out of fuel and can't get supplied from the border.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    If they get really really desperate they might have to ask South Korea to send some soldiers. Till then, we can assume manpower and morale is still not as bad as it is among the Russians



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    NATO has always operated an "open door policy", IF a nations application is fully agreed by other members and IF they have no conflict within their borders. The latter wasn't in play in '08, but has been since '14. Spot the difference? Of course not. My original point stands; Ukraine in NATO is a very long way away and has been since 2014.

    Lot of propaganda about casualties eh? You don't say. You were certainly happy to spread unalloyed Russian scutter in your last post. Even though the merest hint of critical thinking would spot why the numbers and origins of the dead would be so. Happily ignored the vastly one sided civilian casualties too. Handy that.

    Russian army "better led" made me chuckle anyway. The same better led, trained, equipped with all the apparent superiority who failed dismally to take Kiev(sorry feint, sorry Boris Johnson, sorry weaponised pigeons!), gained and lost the "forever Russias" of Kherson and Kharkiv in short order, got themselves invaded for the first time since WW2(if we ignore the coup that never was, never you mind, hush!) and has been subsequently taking ground slower than a snail on downers, while needing the help of Iran and a craphole like North Korea, and still doesn't have air superiority after three years. That Russian army? Regardless of one's allegiances, one would want to be smoking the wacky baccy to not see Russia's invasion as an epic clusterfcuk for Russia, never mind the follow on in economic and social and political effects. And for what? A bigger NATO? Doh!

    Most of if not all of NATO is supplying Israel eh? You spelled "The US" wrong. You might want to look at all the recent UN votes re Israel. The US is one of the only NATO members(and beyond) that support them. Never mind that France's Macron has specifically stated they're not supplying weapons to Israel and won't, much to Israel's ire. Turkey have used theirr own veto to stop NATO aid. Even Germany who were all in, have dialled right back on political support as the death toll rises. So that's more scutter I'm afraid.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I post on topics I find interesting as and when I find them interesting.

    As regards accusations of genocide, the reality is that its something that is more believed by "friends of Ukraine", than by neutral third parties. I refer back to my earlier point about NATO diplomats admitting that countries in the so-called global majority don't listen to them about Russia. They're not convinced.

    And the people who are supposedly being genocided by Russia don't seem to believe it either. 1.2 million Ukrainians sought refuge in Russia. Tens of thousands of people from the Donbas are volunteering to fight in the Russian army despite Zelensky begging them not to. Kurakhovo was recently captured by units of the former 1st DNR army corp. Maksym Tkachenko, a Ukrainian MP on their committee for the Donbas & Crimea let the cat out of the bag recently that 70,000 people had returned to Mariupol (which the Russians are rebuilding already) from Ukrainian controlled territory, and 150,000 overall had returned to the occupied territories from Ukrainian territory. They don't seem persuaded they are going to be genocided - at least not by the Russians.

    Without plausible evidence (debunked photos of "mobile crematoria" aren't plausible) the accusations come across as confession by projection. A lot of the conflict is rooted in efforts by ultra-nationalist forces in Ukraine to disrupt or replace peoples own language, culture, religion and political representation. Many of the "friends of Ukraine" talk about Russians in the same way israelis talk about Palestinians. Their solutions for the ethnic Russian population should Ukraine somehow restore its 1991 borders again remind me of israeli policies for the Palestinians in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,962 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Slightly odd one , why would there be a repair and maintenance facility for 1 way attack drones ? Or are a lot of the redirected / jammed / spoofed drones being recovered and put back in action..

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/12/28/7491094/

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,843 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,843 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Presuming it's more of an assembly plant. Drones arrived, Russians made modifications, weapon drops to them.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,843 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    We can add drones with double barrel shotguns to the list of weapons now.

    Really sounds like something you'd see playing Team Fortress 2.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭engineerws


    New book out by anti war activist Scott Horton.

    Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine 

    As his says provoked does not mean justified. Worth a read for those not familiar to see how the anti war lobby views the US involvement in Ukraine. Seems to be seeling well on amazon

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/10590/ref%3Dzg_b_bs_10590_1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,431 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Taking that point by point.

    1. Ukraine has been looking for military allies since 2014. Before that focus of relations with Europe was expanding trade. Russia created this situation by attacking Ukraine + grabbing part of their territory. They resorted to warfare when they were not getting their own way 100 % any more and directing Ukraine's politics. That was quite stupid, if they did not want US/NATO potentially getting more involved with Ukraine. Weaker countries when attacked by a stronger power who threatens their continued existence as an independent nation will seek external military allies in order to survive.
    2. Russia (just like Ukraine) has to deal with who is in power. Zelenskyy's legitimacy is of course far greater than Putin's own at present (no mention of that by you). The latter's rule of Russia has for some time been based mostly on his network of baron-like plutocrats/oligarchs, a loyal security state and army, full media control, ruthlessness and ability to put any enemies six feet under when he scents a threat. It does not derive from abstract notions like a Constitution or laws etc.
    3. I noticed you did not respond to criticism of your "analysis" of numbers of war-dead exchanged etc. It's obvious Russia will be taking more POWs and claiming the war dead of both sides as they advance the line and capture areas that have been fought over. I mean you are always getting very excited by the fact that in E. of Ukraine, Russian military has been advancing and UAF on retreat and losing ground this year so should know what that implies. You used to be able to reason before you fell down whatever rabbit hole led you to support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. You seem to be dreaming re evidence of Russian military being "better equipped and trained" etc. I doubt that. They do have more men and more weapons. They have always had a very large air power advantage (their supporters here used to boast constantly in 2022/23 it was being held back as Putin was some humanitarian who cared about Ukrainian civilians, but he would soon lose patience take the gloves off and lay waste to Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities etc.). Russia finally managed to bring it to bear in the war this year with mass production of "glide bomb" kits. They unfortunately have allies to supply them to continue the war, even extending to soldiers on part of NK. They would not be able to keep this up I think, any more than Ukraine, without such external support.
    4. Russia's intentions towards Ukraine are genocidal. Russia commits war crimes in Ukraine, the cruelty is part of the point. Some friends of Russia on here (more honest supporters than you) gushed about how the victorious Russian military and security forces will conduct a brutal occupation of Ukraine [contrasting it with a "weak" and "soft" failed US occupation of Iraq]). The US (not NATO) is aiding and abetting Israel while they destroy Gaza and commit what is likely genocide there. The US is in a similar disgraced position to Israel as Russia's own willing helpers, like Iran. Russia's shame here is greater, they are now a "dirty cop", a world policeman that turned into a criminal. It would be as if the US was in Gaza fighting and doing all the killing, not giving Israel weapons. Russia are **** all over the UN Charter every day. They flouted UN Sec. council sanctions of NK and have now used their UN policeman's role to get the sanctions on their new partner defacto ended. Who knows what future horrors Russia's current actions might bequeath us, if they are proliferating their weapons and weapon technology to highly unstable characters like mad King Kim, the Mullahs, the Houthis etc. who are not likely to be safe custodians.

    Should find something better/more productive to do over Christmas.😒 Even the kinder troll farmers probably give the muck-spreaders some time off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Too right it is concerning.

    Look at what happened to the last two loons who tried to invade Russia. Napoleon and Hitler both got sucked in and were destroyed trying to get out during winter. To make matters even worse, one ended up in exile with Paris under occupation and the other shot himself in a bunker just as the Red army was raising the flag in Berlin.

    Not the best of omens if i was in Mr. Zelensky's army boots right now.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Maksym Tkachenko, a Ukrainian MP on their committee for the Donbas & Crimea let the cat out of the bag recently that 70,000 people had returned to Mariupol (which the Russians are rebuilding already) from Ukrainian controlled territory, and 150,000 overall had returned to the occupied territories from Ukrainian territory. They don't seem persuaded they are going to be genocided - at least not by the Russians.

    Maybe give the full story as to reasons why:

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/11/24/7486131/

    Better again give the follow up:

    https://kyivindependent.com/tkachenko-idps/

    Their solutions for the ethnic Russian population should Ukraine somehow restore its 1991 borders again remind me of israeli policies for the Palestinians in Gaza.

    The 91 borders are and have always been a pipe dream, but remind me again: during the Donbas war between 2014-22, when it was apparently under control of "ultra-nationalist" Kiev, with Russian "little green men" and Russian separatist elements involved, how many died? I'll save you the trouble; around 16000, over a third Ukraine loyalists. Oh and the vast majority were in the first two years. Look up how many died on both sides in 2019, 20, 21(under 100 in 21). During that period how many were displaced, how many towns and villages levelled? Now compare and contrast with the tolls since 22. Even you should be able to spot the difference.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Pure speculations. All Putin's/Kremlin talking points and hence must be rejected as false (because whatever Kremlin says are almsot always lies). I'm broadly antiwar but this is an incorrect narrative stemming likely from a very poor knowledge of the Kremlin its history, operations & imperialism while too much stressing the US involvement. The result is a borderline conspiracy narrative.

    One example:
    The so called "NATO Eastwards expansion" - The CEE states joined NATO in 1999 exactly for the same reasons as the Finns in 2023. Because of their historical experience with Russian/Kremlin expansionism (arrogance, imperialism and brutality) and their desire to receive a bulletproof security guarantee that would protect them from Russia for good.

    Facts are to be found in War by Bob Woodward:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Side by side as God intended and none of this over and under nonsense!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    "Regional organisation" - classic Russian tactic. Just like they hid behind the "Warsaw Pact" when they invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968. They use the same tricks again and again. They like to create committees they control, install puppets that they control, or organise "referenda" when they use to annex territories.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I hate to break it to you, but in both those cases Russia needed a lot of external help, not least from their climate. Hell nearly all the doctors in the Russian army itself(and a fair number of higher rank officers) were German. One of their most valued commanders in chief of the Russian army was Michael Barclay de Tolly, a German Scot. Napoleon was defeated by the Sixth Coalition, Prussia, Austria, Britain, Spain, Russia, Portugal, Sweden and a host of minor principalities. WW2 was similar, though it took a couple of years of Soviet-German allied stuff before the Great Patriotic War got going. If you look at the wars Russia fought on her own, well, the results aren't too great.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    +158 meatniks with each death recorded by a drone in … one day



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭Field east


    in reply, I do’nt know where to start , so I wo’nt. Only comment is the ‘rounded figures ‘ are fascinating



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭zv2


    Do people like Vlad, Lavrov & Co. actually know that most intelligent people are laughing at them or are they so intoxicated with their own lies they have come to believe them? Seriously.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,093 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The bigger and more outrageous and unbelievable the Russian \ Soviet lie, you have to publicly believe it and parrot it as a loyalty test.

    If it was plausible \ coherent, that doesn't apply.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭zv2


    By golly, I knew they'd find a way to do this. I didn't anticipate the buckshot though.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,962 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Assuming that he's not a paid shill , ( knows nothing about the guy)

    Why is there always a load of supposed thinkers who are super quick to blame everything on a great US plan ..

    And to excuse Russia ,china ,Iran or who-ever because the US exists ,

    Look I'd agree the US ,and most of the Rest of the western "powers" have a pretty chequered history , ( and recent history ) ,but that doesn't excuse Russia or justify their actions ,

    Is it some kind of cold war - 2 power world throwback ..

    I mean the US could well be guilty of being too accommodating to Russia , of bending over backwards to not annoy them .. which of course is killing Ukrainians with kindness to Russia..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    His naturalised American wife born in Odessa in 70s and whose parents escaped ussr sure has an … interesting publishing history

    One wonders who the real author is

    He himself seems to have moved from far left early in career to the far libertarian right, proving the horse shoe theory of politics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,962 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    In that weird libertarian mindset , are nations allowed the freedom to invade,and destroy their neighbours -if in their own interests , but obviously other states aren't allowed supply weapons and assistance ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭zv2


    Russia has its arse twisted round its brain with this: They can expand by invasion and bullying but others can't join nato of their own free will.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Russian army is better trained, led and equipped?

    It has more of everything, granted, but that's the only thing it has.

    I would be curious as to your rationale for a massively bigger army that is also apparently better led, equipped and trained, failing to defeat an enemy a fraction of its size initially in a catastrophically botched invasion…..now locked into a war of attrition almost three years later.

    It's a bizarre contradiction - you're both saying Russia is better trained, better led, better equipped, while Ukraine is struggling, yet….here we are three years later and Russia has made staggeringly little inroads in the overall scheme of things.

    For comparison, the US outright crushed the Iraqi army twice in a few weeks, and the first time it actually had a very decent army by the standards of the time. That is what better led, trained and equipped actually looks like.

    This reminds me of the post last year where a person on this thread actually said it was difficult to know if the Russia invasion had gone pear-shaped or if it was part of Russia's bigger plan.



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