Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

The problem is that failed AS are allowed to stay.

(1) arrive illegally without travel documents , meaning you deliberately discarded them =

There currently is a law in place to jail people who deliberately destroy travel documents. It has always been illegal to do so, though we have tended to selectively ignore the enforcement of this until recently.

Unfortunately identifying where someone is from for deportation, and indeed actually deporting someone in the event they have destroyed their documentation is exceptionally difficult. It is also not currently possible to deport without agreement from their home country. There are obvious legal tweaks that should be developed in relation to all this, though that should probably be done at an EU level.

> Albanians, USA, Georgians, South Africans = automatic refusal, claim processed in ten minutes.

An exception should be made for political dissidents and whistleblowers, who might have genuine reasons to leave their country even if their country is predominantly prosperous and peaceful.

How many mouths is this racket supporting?

There's the hoteliers and the NGOs

There's the legal professions that deal with cases and the appeals procedure.

As Tobin noted ( if I could find the video) after a great a deal of time and effort spent on proving claims are spurious applicants are just given leave to remain!

That's just a pure waste if money!

It's not as obvious as giving out tents one day to tear them down the next as we saw in the summer but the bill is probably much bigger!

How does a taxpayer psychologically deal with this?

The IPO doesn’t have to prove an applicants claim for asylum is false - the application is assessed and either it’s approved or rejected, and if it’s rejected, the applicant can either return to their country of origin voluntarily, or be deported:

This government body will examine your asylum application and grant a decision. These decisions are made in accordance with the 1951 UN Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 protocol. A decision means you will either be granted refugee status, subsidiary protection, permission to remain or your application will be rejected. If your asylum claim is rejected, you can choose to voluntarily return to your country of origin or be deported.

https://help.unhcr.org/ireland/applying-for-asylum/

There’s also the principle of non-refoulment, meaning the applicant can’t be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom:

The core principle of the 1951 Convention is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom.

https://www.unhcr.org/ie/about-unhcr/who-we-are/1951-refugee-convention

Funding doesn’t have to be redirected at all, just increase the funding for existing services already, and the Government are doing that:

https://www.thejournal.ie/funding-for-400-extra-staff-at-international-protection-office-6501672-Oct2024/

Preferably not the same way this taxpayer chose to deal with it:

Judge Waters said he accepted Evan Murphy’s engagement was genuine and that he had cooperated. The apprentice plumber who will qualify next January was considering emigrating to Canada, the court previously heard. 

Judge Waters said it had struck him as “most bizarre” that someone who attacked with petrol a building housing asylum seekers seeking a better life for themselves wanted to avoid a conviction so he himself could go to another country and prevail on their humanity to better his own life.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41538737.html

Just shows the disconnect the elites and the media have. Trying to score cheap points, by conflating those who come here to scam the system through the ipas process and those you want to immigrate/ emigrate through legal channels.

As i asked do they still get supports from the state and why?

That depends on whether or not they leave voluntarily -

Is Voluntary Return the same as a being deported?

No, they are not the same. The clear benefit of opting for voluntary return is that it enables a person to return to the State at a future date if they establish a legal basis for doing so whereas a person who is the subject of a Deportation Order is legally obliged to leave the State and thereafter remain outside the State. In addition, a reintegration grant is available to some returnees who apply for voluntary return. This can help them cover the costs of setting up a small business or accessing further education upon return.

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/voluntary-returns/

Don’t quote me on the exact figures but I think the reintegration grant is about €600 for a single person, and €1000 for a family.

If they choose not to return voluntarily, then that’s a matter for the GNIB and they are deported. In that case no further support is given apart from that which it costs to remove them to their country of origin.

Anyone’s right to appeal is based on a couple of different factors too, and the majority of appeals tend to be unsuccessful:

Throughout 2023, the IPAT issued a total 1,582 appeal decisions. Of these decisions, 389 applicants were granted refugee status, 34 were granted subsidiary protection status and the remaining 969 appeals were rejected on their merits. As of the 1st of December 2023, a further 3,343 appeals were pending before the Tribunal. The average median duration of the appeal procedure in 2023 was 5.5 months.

https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/overview-main-changes-previous-report-update/#_ftn35

Those figures also include unaccompanied children:

A total of 280 unaccompanied minors arrived in Ireland seeking  international protection up to August this year, new figures have shown.

The children travelled from a range of countries and are currently being accommodated by or in the care of the Tusla.

In 2022, Tusla said it received 597 referrals from all countries, including Ukraine, for unaccompanied minors who arrived in Ireland.

Since last year, 301 children have arrived from Ukraine and, of these, 227 were accommodated or received into care by Tusla.

The remaining 74 were reunified with relatives/hosts at the airport and so did not require to be taken into care.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41247997.html

Yes, many failed AS are given "leave-to-remain".

AFAIK, the vast majority of AS never leave.

to people in a similar position as himself:

Again you're conflating the two. He was planning on going to Canada legally, using their work visa system. The people in the ipas centre are scamming the system and bypass the legal work permit route.

That's not withstanding that he shouldn't have set the place on fire, but his wish to emigrate is not the same as people in the ipas system.