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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    He's brain damaged



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,929 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Justin Trudeau isn’t the governor…but we all know that.

    Again, thought experiment, imagine Biden said this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,705 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    No-one with a flicker of self-respect or self-awareness would say things like - the US needs Greenland so give it to us. Or, I want Canada, if I act like I have it then they will cave and give it to me. At least the Panama thing could have a bit of logic to it. Possibly. Provided you ignored all the history and diplomacy and so on. He really is showing ever more obvious signs of mental decline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,985 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    not at all, hes just your average narcissist, i.e. entitled!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,705 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I don't dispute the narcissist label, but even a narcissist knows enough to use judgement on when and where to display their entitlement or self-absorbtion. A narcissist will find a target or victim and work on them, he is doing neither, he is just saying out loud his every thought.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,051 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It's not even his every thought. Trump has never mentioned Panama before, and knows nothing about international trade or shipping.

    It's obvious that during one of his Mar-a-Lago dinners some wealthy shipping magnet or similar mentioned how the Panama canals costs had risen and that China were taking more slots meaning less for US (read their) shipping.

    And Trump recalls that in school he was told about the canal and how US were involved.

    That's it. That is as deep as it goes. He knows nothing about it, except that the US is big and Panama is small and therefore they will do whatever he says because otherwise....

    He tried the same bravado with China last term and ended up bailing out soya bean farmers with billions of tax dollars. So he is going to try to bully someone else this time.

    Of course what he doesn't understand, one of the many things he doesn't understand, is that the US cannot afford to lose access to the canal. It would be disastrous for their international trade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Is that a real Trump tweet? Surely he can't be that deranged?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,985 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …oh dont worry folks, the amount of absolute bullsh1t thats gonna come from this man over the next few years will be like nothing else, and all of it, bullsh1t!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,929 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    There will be a “centrist” poster along soon to tell you it was CLEARLY a joke.

    Again, a Christmas message from the future president, no mention of peace, Jesus, joy, happiness, all that good stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Raysin


    It's fairly par for the course for the Fanta Furher. Did anyone expect reason and kind wishes?

    He's getting more and more unhinged, but it'll be good to see him retaliate over the President Musk stuff, as he surely will. His ego can't survive much more of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭ilkhanid




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,892 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    So I've seen a couple of different takes on this and, as I tend to do, I go to the source instead of politicians and their X-following accounts.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/3433/text

    According to the government's bill tracker, HR 3433, also known as the "Give Kids a Chance Act of 2024" as pictured in AOC's tweet, was submitted by Michael McCaul (R-TX) in May 2024.

    It passed the House on 23rd Sept. It was received by the Senate the following day, and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, headed by Bernie Sanders, and with 11 Democrats and 10 Republicans, and has sat there ever since.

    https://rarediseases.org/unanimous-house-passage-give-kids-a-chance-act/

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr3433

    Why has the Senate or its committee not acted on this before now? The Democrats have been in the driving seat for the last three months, it got out of the Republican controlled house unanimously.

    I suspect there is more to the story than DOGE, which wasn't even a public concept three months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,929 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Things are already getting spicy in the world of MAGA.

    Not surprising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    H1-B's aren't paid less, but they indeed are more inclined to stay with an employer, in order to get their green cards. However, positions filled by H1-B's don't go to conventional US-based hires, which is used as a way to keep everyone's wages down, that is, it's not like H1-B's earn less and US citizens earn more - they all earn the same at the same job level. Of course, enforcing that with the Pillage People running the department of Labor will get harder to do, hard enough as it is already.

    As someone who spend nearly 40 years in high tech, H1-B visa abuse by employers is a thing, especially the Pillage People now making Combover Caligula's decisions for him. Employers game the 'we made this position available for everyone, didn't get any applications outside of H1-B' all the time. Employers really hate it when employees share salary data, too, that's been something since forever, one employer I had (a huge monopoly no longer with us) did encourage an annual survey, done by employees (actually organized by my office mate), that compared salary actuals by employment level and experience. Never worked for an employer that did that since (that was in the 70's)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,051 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The data, or at least the data as shared by Laura Loomer, is not suggesting that H1Bs are paid less. Just that the idea that H1Bs are for the Best and brightest doesn't stack up when they are being paid the same as lower level employees.

    So either the company is underpaying them and thus keeping US workers out of those jobs as they won't accept those wages, or H1Bs are being used for entry level jobs which goes directly against the argument Elon and Vivek are making.

    There is also of course the added benefit to the company of control. The H1B visa holder is effectively tied to the employer and will be much slower to raise concerns, join unions, go on strike etc. That is much more difficult, if not impossible, to quantify but if very much real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    This sort of thing, about buying Greenland etc, reminds me of Boris Johnsons bridge from Scotland to N.I.

    I think Donny may be running the same game.

    That is the game of virtue signalling.

    This seems to be theatrics. As with Bojo and his epic bridge there was never any intention of a bridge, he knew it all to be complete utter bollox the whole time.

    The public can speculate the details of the construction and the costs and benefits, doesnt matter he knows its not getting built.

    The speculation is the point. Its all free advertising.

    The idea was to paint an image. There was never any feckin bridge.

    Im the kind of guy who considers this a possibility, this concept of mine reflects a truth about me, my character and my potential. I actually see this as a possibility. I may do this.

    (But no, he didnt, it was a deception).

    So DT, even if nothing whatsoever comes of these ideas of greenland and panama, gets to project the image of a daring, forward thinking, mover and shaker. All round ass kicker.

    Nothing has to be done. He only has to be associated in the minds of the simple with "buying greenland".

    Now if youll excuse me i have to browse some ferrari catalogues.

    because im the type who may actually buy one.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,051 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    100% correct. And like the wall, or infrastructure week, or buying Greenland before, he is never held to account.

    His supporters will cheer that he is making these statements, without considering his track record of never actually following anything through.

    But it takes away from actual policy discussion. His supporters want prices down, jobs up and immigration stopped.

    They don't care, or at least didn't before Trump told them to care, about Greenland, Panama or making Canada the 51st state. But it's a great way to change the narrative away from prices, which already Trump has accepted he can't reduce.

    The best way is to ignore almost everything Trump, and his supporters, talk about. It's all diversionary BS.

    Stick to what he promised and how he will deliver it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,524 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Stick to what he promised and how he will deliver it.


    I can’t see that happening to be honest:

    Hopefully the H-1B issue will be raised in tonight’s GOP presidential debate. The Disney scandal is taking place in Florida, home to two of the candidates, Senator Marco Rubio and Governor Jeb Bush. Both candidates have proposed to expand the H-1B program without fixing any of the program’s flaws, which allow American workers to be overlooked for jobs or replaced by cheaper temporary workers. Donald Trump (of all people), the front-runner for several months, will be the only candidate on the stage tonight who has proposed sensible ways to fix the H-1B program: he has proposed that American workers have a first shot at job openings and would prevent employers from using the H-1B as a cheap labor program.

    https://www.epi.org/blog/disney-h1b-scandal-in-spotlight-meet-american-workers-whose-jobs-careers-were-destroyed/

    (article is nearly 10 years old)

    The employees involved in Disney lost their case when the lawsuit was dismissed, but I’m wondering why is this all coming up again?

    Sarah Blackwell, a Florida attorney who represented laid-off Disney workers, said Trump "no longer acknowledges" the problems with the H-1B visa.

    "Some of the Disney workers are among the disappointed in his lack of support and action since the election," Blackwell said. "But there are American workers who have been, and are being, fired and training foreigners to take their jobs who still hold onto the hope that President Trump will be the hero he promised to be."

    https://www.techtarget.com/searchhrsoftware/news/252479060/Trumps-H-1B-work-visa-actions-disappoint-ex-Disney-workers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    According to The Guardian, Trump has taken Musk's side on the visa issue. It'll be interesting to see how far his support is willing to bend on their apparent beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Something tells me, seeing as how Trump has sided with Musk in the 'Tech Right' vs 'FarRight', you'll have some now backtracking on their statements and taking the knee, now what Trump has weighed in. They can be wrong, but they can't say Trump is wrong. Can't have that in a cult, no siree.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Not surprised. Way too much money being donated by big corps to keep the status quo. Per the article One Eyed Jack posted, the Trump admin did 'some things' but apparently messily and I'm sure the DOGE will clean that up in Businesses favor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,051 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So, in a dispute between the American worker and big corporations Trump sides with the corporations.

    Shocked. Nobody could ever see this coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    I don't think a person who owns skyscrapers in Manhattan could be part of the elite. He's a true, blue collar hero. Salt of the earth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,929 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He doesn’t need the votes or support of the dumb and poor, makes sense that he will go with the corporations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    He also most likely doesn't need the votes or support of the dumb and poor in 4 years so no kickback to royally screwing them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,590 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    They'll still cheer him on regardless. Sure they're still waiting on all that wealth to start trickling down like Reagan said it would.

    Any day now...…............



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Hasn’t even started and it’s a s**tshow already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Besides, in 4 years if he can't hide from what he'll do via POTUS immunity, or pardon himself and his cronies, whoever promises the best pardon and most kickbacks to him and his will get his endorsement and carry the MAGA mantle forward. 50/50 it's Vance, I don't think he's MAGA enough, he's Trumpy though, lies, doubletalk, cowardice. 4 years, though, is an extremely long time and here we go again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,929 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I’d honestly be surprised if Vance survives that long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I wonder where all them conspiracy theorists going on about unelected elites running things have disappeared



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