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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,176 ✭✭✭jmreire


    95% of support, or any other high nrs in an election or referendum, where the voters are held literally at gunpoint or other form of blackmail, can never be relied on. And all of Putins so called "election's & Referendums (Crimea for example) were held under duress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,461 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm hopeful 2025 will see the end of the fighting phase of this conflict and peace is brought back to Ukraine. I think Zelensky is absolutely right that the battles to come over stolen territories will be diplomatic, political and economic.

    The western world will never recognise annexed territory and so too will most other countries.

    Also Putin won't be around forever. One way or another he's getting old by Russian standards (he's 72 now) and time is running out.

    Soon the questions will be turning to who will replace him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    He could be around for a long time yet,, obviously Russian lifespan is less but if you look at America politicians are getting older



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 897 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    And unlike the proles Putin will get top notch medical attention. In Switzerland if necessary. I’d not be surprised if he bathed daily in the blood of virgins.

    The fúcker could be around for another 20 years. A bullet or preferably the death given to King Edward II would be nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭rogber


    Another massive criminal attack on Ukraine's energy system overnight. No doubt another round of condemnation by Western politicians followed by minimal action. Horrible way for Ukrainians to face Christmas. Let's hope this is the last year of the "hot" phase of the war. Compromises will have to be made, but they can be put right in time. A curse on Russia and may it last generations



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Anyone who uses the word “compromise” needs to listen to yesterdays episode of Ukraine the Latest

    The stories out of occupied territories are horrendous, “compromise” means leaving millions to “Russian Mir”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Plane crashed in Kazakhstan on way to Russia, 40 dead

    On sky news there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,963 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    As usual it's complicated, Ukraine has no intention of leaving it's people behind..

    But retaking the Donbass or Crimes in fully contested combat would as stupid for the Ukrainians to try as it was for the Russians..

    And while it's easy to say no compromise, or compromise and acquiesce, it'll be up to Ukraine and it's gov to decide what they're doing - ultimately Russia is creaking at the seams - but could keep creaking for a long time , or collapse in the morning.. and hopefully Ukraine leaders accurately knows their own position..

    The war would have been over already if it weren't for north Korean artillery - and I don't think that was really factored in ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,963 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    In my opinion it's not about land or population,at this stage - thats the gloss on the surface..

    It's about the security guarantees, NATO membership, real defence commitments to Ukraine,

    Personally I'd love to see NATO enforcing a demilitarisation of the whole war zone - with prejudice.. but that ain't gonna happen..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭yagan


    I was watching a clip about the Soviets in Afghanistan last night and a figure popped up stating 30% of the forces were from Ukraine, another 30% from Russia and the rest were from other Soviet states and Warsaw Bloc. Supposedly Hungary had an oversized representation relative to their population.

    You would think the US would be siding with such an important experienced chunk of the former enemy to counter Putin's Russia! But no, Trump still thinks Putin is to be looked up to, much strong, much stonk!

    His talking about coveting the Panama canal and "buying" Greenland and what's more worrying is he has a sizable portion of the US population nodding along with him. Down the road Trump's admiration for Putin will force a NATO fracture.

    He says he wants NATO to up defense spending, but in his lizard brain he thinks that will go to buying US arms when his Putin worship will drive NATO nations towards upping reequipping their defense industry. There's a few soon to be closed VW plants that can be repurposed to the arms industry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Ideally I’d like to see Putin live long enough to see his world collapse around him, just like his buddy Assad, who must now continue life as a loser.

    Ideally, I’d like him to survive long enough to be captured by Ukraine, put through his own version of the Eichmann Trails and then made to live out the rest of his days imprisoned in a flourishing progressive Ukraine, free of him or the decaying husk of the Russian Federation he was taken from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 897 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It lacks the poetic punch I was going for; but I’ll second this idea too :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,882 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Build it in Bucha, the ghosts might want a word. Plus the locals can visit and express their admiration by flinging sh1t or worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    A cold poker, repeatedly, is the traditional Russian preference, isn't it? And we know Putin loves his Russian traditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Rawr


    On a serious note, a seasonal message to all Kremlin apologists out there who now even as I write this are likely looking for content for their next post in support of Putin.

    This Christmas morning Ukrainian children yet again faced the specter of a Russian missile landing on their homes. Many of them may have spent this morning sheltering underground or scrambling to save themselves from an attack. All for the sake of an unnecessary & illegal war of annihilation designed to save the skin of one man and his cadre of mobsters.

    I have little doubt that the propagandist will either ignore or otherwise disparage this kind of message, but my hope is that some of them might possess enough humanity to sense that what they are doing is wrong and that they are supporting a state that could end all of this tomorrow by going home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭macraignil


    While putin's terrorists continue to attack civilians in Ukraine the armed forces of Ukraine continue to strike the terrorist forces of putin.

    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukrainian-forces-strike-russian-command-post-in-kursk-region-officer-casualties-reported-4700



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    This, IMO, is where Putin so catastrophically miscalculated. He gambled big on his 3-day run to Kyyv and lost. Now, like all good gamblers, he's betting everything he has, things he hasn't and whatever he can scrounge or steal from family and friends on trying to win back his losses.

    If he'd stuck to simple meddling in EU and US elections, funding the MAGA/AfD/FN/Georgia Dream/Brexit loons and cutting cables, half the population of the West would have paid scant attention, even lent him tacit support. Instead, he has exposed the depravity of his whole rotten empire, and galvanised opposition against everything Russian even where there was no real threat before.

    We're at the stage where Zelenskyy/Ukraine can say to anyone who tries to ram through a "peace" deal based solely on demilitarising Ukrainian oblasts: "Thanks - but no thanks. Demilitarise the neighbouring Russian oblasts as well or we'll do it ourselves."

    From the comments made in public by US spokesmen on both sides of their divide, I don't think they understand the extent to which their reluctance to "escalate" the situation over three years has propelled Ukraine towards a real independence. Not just political indepenence, but pouring all their creativity into fast-tracking their own military industry - one that isn't hobbled by timid foreign governments saying they can't have this weapon or can only use that one against these targets.

    While manpower will remain a significant challenge for Urkaine for the foreseeable future, I think 2025 will see every other aspect of the conflict tilt ever more in Ukraine's favour. Regardless of how many devastated km² Russian claims to control, Ukraine will be able to target more and more infrastructure and logistical hubs far behind the front line, until the conflict becomes all cost and no benefit for Russia and friends.

    In such a scenario, the US could easily find itself becoming irrelevant, as other local actors move faster than Trump to help Ukraine achieve a decisive victory … and reap the considerable post-conflict rewards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,176 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And "IF" it goes the other way, and Putin wins, America will go down in History as the country that lost Ukraine to Russia, and Putins propaganda factory will have a field day…..Mighty Russia, defeated NATO and the US. Not to mention what China would do…I doubt that even Trump could survive that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭yagan


    The depletion of the Soviet era stock is very evident on the battlefield now, and the use of civilian vehicles as replacements pretty much shows they've gone through the bottom of the barrel.

    Putin's projection of power since 2008 has been mostly reliant on moth balled soviet stock being dusted off so a Ukrainian victory may well come when Russia implodes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,166 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I think 2025 will see every other aspect of the conflict tilt ever more in Ukraine's favour. 

    Ukrainian victory may well come when Russia implodes.

    Wishful thinking guys? This is where things are at right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 897 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/1225/1488095-pope-francis/

    After thousands of years of conflict it is clear God should negotiate with Satan.There has been thousands of years of turmoil. If only God had the courage of the White flag, peace could be achieved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Spot on
    The podcast linked on previous page talks about Ukrainians launching worlds first all robotic combined arms assault with ground and aerial drones

    Now let that sink in for a little bit

    While Russians are feeding their men into woodchiper the Ukrainians are automating the woodchiper

    is pope willing to give up a quarter of the Vatican and all the looted art within I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    An article from 18th November is hardly where things are at "right now". Yes, Ukraine is "slowly losing ground" - but that's been the case for over a year, and it's so slow, that Russia still hasn't re-taken what it lost the year before. Meanwhile, Russia has lost part of Russia and not been able to take it back. Russian has lost it's Black Sea Fleet and hasn't been able to re-build it. Russia has lost three quarters of a million fit-for-combat servicemen and doesn't look anywhere close to being able to breed new troops. And Russia has lost oil refineries, storage tanks, export pipelines and tankers with little prospect of replacing them in the foreseeable future.

    That's a hell of a lot of losing on the Russian side, all for the sake of a few square kilometres of Ukrainian territory, land there's no guarantee they'll be able to keep or usefully exploit in a year's time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭yagan


    Two things about the Russian gains.

    Ukraine aren't deploying meat wave defense against meat wave attacks so what ground Russia gains is in itself a loss in personal.

    The second is innovation and the only innovation the Russians seems to have is strapping glide wings unto Soviet era bombs while their meat waves are now being annihilated by remote control.

    If the post WWII boundaries were defined by where the tanks stopped rolling what happens when you run out of tanks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Another good old Ruzzian tradition: the knout. When Peter the Great was torturing the Streltsi, many of them received so many strokes that their backs were messes of blood and torn flesh. Then red-hot pokers were used to probe the wounds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    So the plane that crashed in Kazakhstan today destined for Russia is now being used by the Russian spinsters to stir up **** against the Kazakhstanis



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