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Strange Beliefs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,898 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Just goes to show how little you understand Trans people.

    No one just goes I think I will Transition to be a Woman tomorrow or vice versa the other way around.

    They already were they were just living as they thought society expected of them.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,365 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I find the belief that the Palestinian people are a group of peace lovers who would just live in harmony with Israel if they were only allowed to very strange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    So what evidence do you have that He doesn't exist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    Some of the main arguments against Gods existence

    -lack of empirical evidence ,

    -why evil exists if there is/were a God,

    -that ‘big’ questions can be explained via science, rendering it unnecessary to require or even believe in God. Advances through rational endevours (like the scientific method) seem to fill the void of past-generational ignorance.

    The lack of rational, observable, replicable evidence renders God implausible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,643 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Here's the thing I don't get about gods. If you believe in one, cool. If you don't, also cool. But so long as you don't try to enforce your beliefs on me, have at it. And don't disparage people about their beliefs too.

    Hard line religious people and hardline atheists are as bad as each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    Mayo for Sam.

    Ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The flat earth thing, because it's actually a difficult belief to have. GPS, boats disappearing over the horizon, being able to see the ISS and satellites with the naked eye, simple home-made experiments.

    It's a belief that requires some amount of effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Church authorities a lot worse than that in their day, when they had the power;

    https://sourcebooks.web.fordham.edu/pwh/malalas.asp

    In that year some of the bishops from various provinces were accused of living immorally in matters of the flesh and of homosexual practices. Amongst them was Isaiah, bishop of Rhodes, at Constantinople, and likewaise the bishop from Diospolis, in Thrace named Alexander. In accordance with a sacred ordinance they were brought to Constantinople and were examined and condemned by Victor the city prefect, who punished them: he tortured Isaiah severely and exiled him and he amputated Alexander's genitals and paraded him around on a litter. The emperor [sc. Justinian I] immediately decreed that those detected in pederasty should have their genitals amputated. At that time many homosexuals were arrested and dies after having their genitals amputated. From then on there was fear amongst those afflicted with homosexual lust.

    It shows that the current views of the mainstream Catholic church aren't that different from mainstream Islam.

    There are of course, extremists involved in all religions

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    The families of victims of the Christian Identity white supremacist movement might disagree with you that 'there haven't been killings'.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    I was of similar mindset; but someone brought to my attention the events at Garabandal in the early 60s.

    I've no interest in a debate about religion but I find these events difficult to explain; as did the 'experts' of the time who were sent to debunk the phenomena.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Believing in a flat earth requires a special level of stupidity because even school kids can easily disprove it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭chicks4free


    But still the numbers of flat earth believers are increasing all around the globe.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,783 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    You said the EIGHTYS and now your back tracking hundreds of years lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,783 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    You're deluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Are you saying that we can’t make a comparison based on the modern day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'm saying that attempts to disparage an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny number of extremists are a bit silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Fair enough, history has shown us that labelling entire groups of people as dangerous or as a threat doesn't end well (and Irish people should know better).

    But when someone rolls out events like the crusades that happened centuries ago (as if religious violence back then was only from christians) as a counterpoint to violence happening today, it seems a bit silly and counter to the point trying to be made.

    There are serious questions to be raised about religious based governments such as Saudi Arabia, and we just can't say they don't have popular support. Also the people who turned up at rallies against Salman Rushdie or the Danish cartoon nonsense not to long ago don't seem like they belong in Western societies, I would suggest a flight to Saudi Arabia but they don't have a good track record in their treatment of outsiders.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Rolling out the crusades is just as silly as rolling out the Charlie Hebdo attack. Yes, Hebdo is slightly more recent, but it's no more relevant in terms of risk analysis for today.

    Those who roll out these nonsense concerns really aren't trying to have any kind of sensible debate about the risks of extremists. They're delighted to have the examples of such extremists that they can use to take a swipe at an entire religion.



  • Posts: 701 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Disgusting and evil as the Westboro baptist church is (and it's tiny, and thankfully many have left), no, members haven't killed in the name of their cult.

    Your posts are bizarre - someone mentions islamic fundamentalism TODAY, which is an actual thing (Isis, the Taliban) and you respond with "well what about things that happened hundreds and thousands of years ago in the name of christianity?" And? What relevance does that have to 2024? It was obviously horrific but why does that prevent you from acknowledging extremist elements in Islam today, to which christianity/catholicism today don't compare?

    You're also being extremely dishonest. Who said islamic fundamentalists represent all muslims? And you actually said that the Charlie Hebdo attack, January 2015 - not even the tenth anniversary yet, was "slightly" more recent than 800 years ago. That's just desperation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You're just going to ignore the stuff about the Christian Identity group, presumably? And you're going to ignore the explanation given about the Hebdo attack; "but it's no more relevant in terms of risk analysis for today"?

    Someone didn't mention 'Islamic fundamentalism TODAY'. Someone mentioned people getting killed for drawing pictures of Mohammad, which isn't happening today, unless I'm missing something. What relevance does the Hebdo attach have to 2024?

    You're that no one mentioned that Islamic fundamentalists don't represent all Muslims. Are you not capable though of reading between the lines to see the agenda that's going on here?



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 13,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭barneygumble99


    Believing that arguing with someone on boards.ie over and back for days about what should be done about a particular issue will bring about change in real life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    Yes, there a difference in arguing & discussion. A lot of coming up on Religion. Rationally, it’s very easy to dismiss a divine power, but I guess that can’t quite close the case as that in itself is limited

    Science, via Neuro imaging demonstrates that meditation changes brain function & structure. Longterm, it leads to greater brain volume in areas governing compassion which is extraordinary. Other means of divine experience are possible via transcendent states, though thats largely down to the inner experience of an individual, which from that point of view can’t be fully ruled out as invalid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭COVID


    Flapdoodle.

    Next time you type the words 'divine power' and 'divine experience', please have the decency to use inverted commas.

    Unless, of course, you do believe in the paranormal, which I suspect is the case.

    If so, carry on up your own Khyber!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle



    Nothing says “intellectual rigour” like quotation marks around concepts that can’t be empirically verified. 

    If you want to ridicule ideas that elude rational verification, why stop there? Why not other concepts, just as unprovable in their own right? Like, gravity, beauty, time, or truth & meaning that you value yet cannot grasp. 

    If certain words like divine challenge you in ways that are uncomfortable, that may reflect more about limitations, fear or unwillingness to grapple with what’s unknown. It’s in the pursuit of the unknown that knowledge, wisdom and truth is found, and purpose, meaning and fulfilment are derived. Better to aim for any summit than remain stranded low at base camp, where satire & stones abound amidst a precariously stagnant perspective.

    In the meantime, best keep the punctuation where they belong -on words like “scientific certainty” 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Gravity is unprovable?

    /floats away



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    😅 That made me laugh! Gravity’s a tough one to pin down alright!

    It can be proven in the sense of observing and measuring its effects, but what it is ultimately more elusive. 

    Newton discovered gravity after Chuck Norris threw an apple at his head.



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