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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0rn85v5kjo

    Fico - a vocal critic of the European Union's support for Kyiv in the war - said they discussed supplies of Russian gas to Slovakia - which his country relies on.

    A deal with Russian gas giant Gazprom to transit energy through Ukraine to Slovakia is due to expire at the end of this year.

    "Top EU officials were informed about my journey and its purpose... on Friday," Fico wrote on Facebook.

    Fico said the meeting in Moscow was a reaction to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky telling EU leaders that Ukraine remains opposed to Russian gas being piped through its territory.

    Seems Fico is mainly concerned about Slovakia getting its Russian gas in future, and the visit to kiss Putin's ring is about that and not "diplomacy" (lol).

    I don't know what he expects Putin to do though? Invade Ukraine harder to force them to keep that gas pipe open/make new deals to suit Slovakia?

    Slaughter more people? Destroy more infrastructure? I wonder has Russia come up with a teleportation device yet to send the gas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I'd say gas to Slovakia is free and Fico is pocketing the retail price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    It could be irrelevant what deal Fico does if Ukraine destroys the "meter reader" installations on the pipeline network inside Russia, which some reports say was the objective of one of the less dramatic refinery strikes last week.

    Should it be true, this is Ukraine cleverly playing the "f**k around, find out" card against pro-Kremlin parties in the EU. "What? You've suddenly got no gas from your Russian supplier, and no other means of getting any? Oh dear, never mind. Maybe we'll be able to sell you some when we've cleared all your vermin friends out of our country"

    After the humiliation of Assad, I'll admit I'm somewhat puzzled as to why the EU's Putin fanboy's (and Lukashenko) are seemingly making more noise lately rather than less. I would have thought that the rules of bog-standard machiavellian politicking would recommend maintaining a polite silence while sharpening knives under the table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Rawr


    My suspicion is that the increasing tenuous situation the Russians find themselves in is motivating them to energise their fanboy brigade into getting louder about “Peace” or “striking a deal”.

    Trump getting into the White House was never going to be a guarantee that Russia would be helped out in this war. Donnie is far too unreliable, and I feel that the Russians understand this too. So they are throwing everything they’ve got to creep the frontline forward in the hope that they can keep what they have if an actual “deal” happens.

    However, the nightmare scenario for Putin is where Ukraine don’t do a deal, and just continue fighting. Russia can’t fight this war forever and I believe that they’ve already gone past the point of recovery. At best Putin can hope for a land grab and hope that this will serve as a patch to keep him in power.

    And so we get screams of “Peace!” from Russia fanboys, but this is possibly in response to a Kremlin desire to save themselves from the coming consequences of their murderous adventure in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    However, the nightmare scenario for Putin is where Ukraine don’t do a deal, and just continue fighting. 

    I think that might be the nightmare scenario for Trump too, whether he realises it or not. It's conceivable that he'll give Ukraine an ultimatum: "cede territory or no more weapons" - and Urkaine will tell him to feck off. That'll put Trump in a tight spot: does he back Putin-the-Loser and hope he wins, does he U-turn and not cut off aid, making himself look weak, or does he cut off aid and push an EU-backed Urkaine into developing a battle-proven futuristic drone-based military that competes directly with the US?

    I don't believe Trump has the nounce to figure any of that out on his own, and I doubt his MAGA entourage can seen beyond the horizon of the mid-term elections. My biggest worry would be that Pseudo-president Musk will use the blessing of Trump to interfere with Starlink and hobble the Ukrainian's use of it for battlefield communications.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 897 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Assad released a statement about a week after he exited stage left. He tried some BS saying he went to the airport to command troops to fight on. Unfortunately for him his loyal troops were being disloyal elsewhere. He then said he accepted Russian command that he be taken to Russia for his safety. Surely Iran would have been a better destination.

    Turns out he was kidnapped and Putin is getting his old Chum to hand over all his ill gotten wealth. Couldn’t happen to a nicer war criminal, sadly the wealth is going to an even bigger war criminal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Assuming Russia gets paid in full for it, I can't see a reason for Ukraine to continue to allow gas to flow via their country...even if they don't it might be useful to teach Orbán and Fico a lesson that they don't hold all the cards (over Ukraine), and membership of the EU/NATO + current ability to ride 2 horses at once won't shield them from Ukraine paying them back in a small way for their assistance to Russia.

    These 2 countries have been opposing policies of the EU and rest of the member states (to help Ukraine, to get off Russian energy). Ukraine has tried diplomacy with them too, and gotten nowhere. It has almost 3 years now since the invasion, and they have had plenty of warning to do something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    ”Ukraine made other decisions that didn't make strategic sense. For example, they famously cut off water supplies to Crimea.

    That’s just hilarious considering it was Russia who destroyed a certain dam on Dnipro causing an ecological catastrophe and destroying the reservoir that supplied the Crimean canal and which now flows backwards

    Yet another bullshit justification friends of Russia put forward

    Putin never cared about water for Crimea (which can’t now be supplied as dam and reservoir was destroyed by Russia) it was a **** justification for war in a long line of **** justifications like the “omg NATO near us” line that gets trotted out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Ukraine signalled they are willing to continue gas transit if they are given free gas for duration of war

    It’s up to Russia now, Fico and Orban (and whoever is running transnistria and about to run out of gas in a week or so) can go to Moscow and beg the god emperor to let the spice flow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Very concerning

    12011 dead Russians in 120 days verified on drone video with each death logged and referenced by this guy

    For comparison Soviet Union lost 9511 combat dead over 3337 days of Soviet Afgan invasion



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Today on Kremlin Korner we discuss the possibility of Estonia joining our wonderful cosy Federation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    In 2015 South Africa neglected to execute the arrest warrant against the Sudanese president Omar Al-Bashir. I wonder what brought about the change of heart? The presence of the Democratic Alliance in the government made all the difference, I'll wager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,707 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    He's of no use to Putin now aside from maybe trading him back to Syria. Where did you see reports about the wealth transfer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,461 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The river won't be in Ukrainian control anymore so they won't be able to cut off water supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    If Assad was “voluntarily kidnapped” by Russians (bizzare!)


    then he must have only brought what he can carry (cash?jewels?) with his family or previously transferred to Moscow

    Syrian central bank gold is all there

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/syria-retains-26-tons-gold-reserves-after-assads-fall-sources-2024-12-16/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    You still don’t get it, Russia would have to rebuild the Kakhovka dam they destroyed so spectacularly in 2023

    and refill the now almost dry reservoir for water to be able to down to Crimea

    Why Ukraine would give up easily defensible land on other side of Dnipro and open themselves up to future invasions is an open question I see you avoided answering when another poster asked you

    If Putin cared about water for Crimea then why did he order destruction of that water infrastructure? That’s right he doesn’t care and you have trotted out without engaging braincells Russian propaganda manure which falls apart under examination



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The Crimean canal was gravity fed from the Kakhovka reservoir until the Russian invaders blew up the dam.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Crimean_Canal

    Without the reservoir the canal could not be supplied with water and became dry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Looks like someone isn't happy living in Utopia and wants to leave for the "Evil West"

    Like the rest of the oligarchs!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,661 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The last supply / evacuation road to the Velyka Novosilka has been taken and the stronghold is now in operational encirclement.

    Would not be a surprise to see Kursk region follow on a similar path in the next couple of weeks also.

    velk.jpg

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    sarcasm or delusion, perhaps idiocy? Hes about to lose cheap gas hence the visit to his owner. Surprised hes girlfriend Orban is not with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭Field east


    Jesus wept. I just googled ‘Is Estonia a member of NATO’ and it said yes it is. ‘MY FRIEND’ must haveresearched NATO members up to circa 1991. God forgive him if Russia is even thinking about ‘ another special mission - even for ONLY 10 acres



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭Field east


    Can u not take it as given . If Putin wants it he will get it. He even might have a friend that needs a dig out and he just tells Asad that a friend of him will be ‘in contact’ with him shortly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    ROFL they didn’t even get to Irish waters 😂

    Great name for a ship tho!

    IMG_5587.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    don't forget hes married to Kiev-in-3-days clownlady. Thinking is not their thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,461 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    "Everyone can have an opinion so long as it's mine"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    “Everyone can have an opinion next to an open window” - Putin probably


    or that Russian joke

    “Everyone in Russia has free speech, they however might not have freedom after speech”

    ^ this madness is what you continually excuse and defend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭Field east


    Kermit, I do’nt know where to start in response to your post , so I wo’nt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,461 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I don't defend the Russian government or Putin who is a thug.

    I do, however, take a more considered view of this conflict which was inevitable after 2014. Russia was never going to allow NATO in Ukraine no matter who was in charge.

    How many days on one hand could you count before the US took action if Mexico, for example, allowed offensive weapons to be stationed on it's territory?

    It's all hypocrisy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    US wouldn’t be stuck twenty miles inside Mexican border three years into three day special operations nor spend a third of gdp on military nor run up a vietnams worth of dead every month

    Nor for that matter attack their friendly neighbours


    your problem is that:

    • you think Russia deserves a “sphere of influence” everybody’s else’s sovereignty be damned
    • Russia is a superpower and not a criminal oligarchy shell of former empire
    • You buy and regurgitate wholesale Russian propaganda without taking a moment to think about the stupidity and inconsistencies and outright lies which “critical thinker” like yourself swallows without question
    • You’ve never been to Russia and seen it for yourself


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