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Cocaine Destroying Rural Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    noting our current prison capacity is at 112%, causing more and more dysfunctions, with more and more reoffending upon release….

    That statistic alone shows we need more prison space

    increasing sentences would also need a significant increase in general taxation in order to simply build more jails, and of course to run them effectively…

    …so by all means advocate for raising taxes, im sure many will definitely support this!

    Crime is a major concern. I think a party showing that they'll build the prison and stop the same scrotes walking the streets mere days after another bout of reoffending wouldn't be an unpopular move.

    It is incredulous that a young person can have 30+ convictions prior to their 30th birthday and still be out on the streets. This goes to your point above on reoffending upon release; there's no deterrent there unless the crimes are serious. These people know the system and know the real limits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    There was certainly a link to the old RIC days as you say, but the local Gard (as twee as it sounds) was essential as part of the community; They could nip a lot of stuff in the bud by having a quiet word with parents. They'd know local cars just by sight so a cursory drive would be enough to spot something out of place. These were small preventative measures that never make it to data sets used in decision making.

    Much like the postman in rural Ireland, their 95% of their role is the primary duty, the 1% that goes unnoticed/unaccredited is local knowledge and presence e.g. some days they'll only be dropping in an aul Supervalue leaflet but they were also looking out for many residents and a touch base to ensure everything was ok etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Quitelife




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "County Limerick lost practically all its garda stations"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Oh well, we done it somehow with alcohol and recent studies are not favorable when considering sugar and sugar addiction, some researchers are comparing it to opioids or cocaine addiction.

    There was a time when you could go to jail in US for just having one cannabis joint and it simply did not work. Now most of the US legalized it. I would not go that far in a sense you can see examples quite closer - Netherland is not a country full of stoned people and Portugal which decriminalized hard drugs is not filled with junkies laying everywhere.

    There is a way to cut enormous expenses of trying to police segment of population which will do drugs no matter how harsh penalties you impose. The more obstacles you put between them getting their fix the more incentives you create for other people who will try to make money supplying it. It is a circle which can not be broken.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    People who do cocaine are the lowest of the low, sub human filth. They are as responsible for the deaths of dealers or drug mules as the man or woman who pulled the trigger or the cartel member in Mexico who cut someones head off. They'd sit at their dinner parties snorting coke whilst at the same time looking down their noses at communities destroyed and ripped apart by drug gangs calling the people living there scum. In fact it is them that are the scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    many of those are only open for an hour a day and the phone rings out if you ring them


    Newcastle West is the only 24/7 station in County Limerick . Bruff & Kilmallock would have a decent enough service but other than that there’s only a token presence much to the delight of the drug gangs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    Can you name ONE community in Ireland that has been "destroyed and ripped apart" by cocaine, I'd like to google it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Most of them are open for three hours a day M-F if you click into the map. You don't help your case with constant exaggeration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,285 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yeah, I can just envisage them saying, "Better not sell any drugs in this town - there's a garda sitting at a desk waiting for the phone to ring"

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Aurelian


    Yep, they're just murdering and terrorising Mexicans with every line they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭randd1


    Listen, that's an argument for legalization.

    Now, I'm all for legalization, as I think it would solve a lot more problems than leaving things remain illegal does (not least the industry being in the control of criminal gangs and not a controlled industry where products are produced properly and has accountability), and I think people should be entitled to put whatever into their own bodies provided;

    • It doesn't cause them to hurt others while under the influence
    • If medical treatment is required, they're charged €250 in A&E for wasting time
    • People realise these are addictive products and use them sparingly.
    • That potential addiction may see them lose jobs, or likely see authorities take a dimmer view of them in circumstances regarding their children.

    But at the same time, if you know these substances are dangerous and go ahead anyway and take it, that's on you. The police, Courts, social workers, community groups, family or whoever, are not the ones shoving the cocaine up your nose.

    That's your choice, you took the risk in taking what you knew to be an illegal substance, any death/injury is on entirely you.

    It's not that people don't care, it's that people know that if you play Russian Roulette, there's a fair chance you'll get shot, and therefore are not surprised or outraged when it does actually happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭randd1


    Maybe we're just in a phase where society is shifting from alcohol to drugs as their poison in preference?

    Humans have used intoxicants of some sort since day one for various reasons. It'll always be here, people are always going to use them. So maybe all that's happening is the favourite choice of intoxicant is changing, for whatever reason.

    To be honest, I'd rate the massive lack of cheap accommodation and cost of living as a bigger problem for young people in communities than cocaine use, or at least driving it.

    My first flat was a tiny one bed, tiny bathroom, tiny kitchen/sitting room, I'd say at most 8m x 8m, poorly furnished, but liveable. It was also cheap as 5hit (I think €100 a week between the two of us, early 2000's), which meant I was able to move out and live independently at 18, get a handy job even if it was low paying, and enjoy life on the weekends with a few pints for €3-4 depending on.

    €30 was fiver entry into a nightclub, a nice few pints and a bag of chips on the way home after a good night out. Ecstasy was available for €3-5 a pop if you fancied something with a bit more kick (I never once bothered with it, but was offered it). Cocaine wasn't needed at those prices. A part time job and cheap accommodation saw you having a bit of independence and a life.

    Not a chance of anything like that ever happening now. Little wonder people are drawn to escapism, even if it's in powder form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Been said many times but the illegal market remains after legalization and they undercut the legal market

    Usage and associated problems remain



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    It's not a great argument though. There's black markets for everything but that doesn't mean there's no benefit in regulation. Cigarettes and diesel are good examples. They're legal with a strong black market, yet the vast majority of people still buy them legally. The government rakes in far more from their sale than any illegal seller and the scale of their black market is tiny compared to the drug market.

    Legalisation wouldn't fix everything and needs a lot of careful thought. There's no perfect solution to this, but that doesn't mean there isn't a better approach. The mindset of not changing anything because it won't fix everything is crazy. The enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect one and all that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,558 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Yeah, everyone knows they only slurp up fair trade cocaine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    Its never going to be legalized. It's traded on the American dollar. If you think the yanks, especially the incoming administration, are going to allow a nice percentage of their GDP to be eradicated, you are dreaming.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    Never say never. The abolition of slavery was fiercely resisted, apartheid in S Africa had its supporters. In Ireland, divorce and abortion were passionately opposed, even the smoking ban wasn't widely welcomed nor was the GFA. Laws and policies change despite opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    Not when it comes to GDP. Money talks, Politics walks. The American establishment will never allow it to be legalized while their currency is the main source trading recipient. But yeah maybe in the future when the United States is no longer the global hegemon, then maybe it could change, but if you are looking at this product to be legalized while Uncle Sam still calls the shots, not going to happen. The cartels know this, hence why they solely trade on the American $

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    "Money talks", they've spent billions, some say trillions, trying to stop cocaine getting into their country for decades and failed miserably. They did legalise marijuana in many states and repealed prohibition of alcohol, so who knows. You may be right, others have said vested interests want it to remain illegal, especially the cartels. If your prediction is correct, then I'd bet, we'll be having these threads/discussions for eternity unless another mood-altering substance becomes more popular.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Quitelife




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭randd1


    There's no friends in the world of drugs, just temporary allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Quitelife




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    https://www.thejournal.ie/woman-20s-fighting-for-life-after-hit-and-run-collision-in-rathkeale-6579228-Dec2024/


    Another example of the lawlessness in County Limerick … if it happened in Germany it’s international news … if it happens in Rathkeale or Askeaton it’s brushed under the carpet … Local TDs Patrick o Donovan and Niall Collins don’t care !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    What's this got to do with cocaine? Don't see any mention of it in the article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,285 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Is the Transit the new Hiace?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    The papers are hardly going to say it - all the recent rathkeale feuds are to do with proceeds of crime primarily drugs ie Cocaine in UK cities .. Birmingham/Wolverhampton been the most recent flashpoint



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,285 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ah right. So when they say it's to do with cocaine, it's to do with cocaine.

    When they don't say it's to do with cocaine, it's to do with cocaine.

    👍️

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Has it been established if there was a Fentanyl link? The tabloids had mentioned it. Terrible tragedy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Yesterday,after a long and tiresome day I got home at 7pm, was just bolting up the front gate when a neighbour went gandering by with a few dogs and we had a 5-minute chat. She is convinced that those doughnut boys in the superd up thunder cars are now marking spots in the country with their cars so users know the location of dealing when they want stuff. Just thought I would put that here. Might be something there, might not.

    Dan.



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