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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Do tell...

    What mechanism did they use to do this and why has my childcare bill gone up and not down during their tenure in gov?

    I'll wait....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Despite having a Minister for Transport from the Green Party, and a huge increase in public transport options including reduced/removed fares plus vast increase in EVs, yet emissions in the sector went up each year over the life of the past government

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    https://www.epa.ie/our-services/monitoring--assessment/climate-change/ghg/transport/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,319 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Why do you think that is? More usage in cities and new rural bus routes etc.? I'm sure the next government will sort it out anyway as they won't have the Greens ruining everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Why do I think emissions are up or why do I think PT and EVs are up?

    I'll answer both sure!

    Despite the increase in public transport offerings and reduced fares, and the increase of people on them, the convenience of a car is still unbeatable for many. With that in mind, EVs should be used much much more but the grant reductions and the outright riding the manufacturers are doing of their customers is hindering it. Nevertheless, despite 2024 being a bad year for EVs, their % of the national fleet is at an all time high.Petrol/hybrid sales are increasing too which is bad news for emissions (you can see the drop in emissions when the CO2 tax rates came in and the move to diesel began). Hybrids are a joke of a scenario, especially the "self-charging" variant.

    The PT initiatives are excellent and much much more can and should be done.
    EVs are down. I agree with the grants being pulled as that just funnels money out of the country. There needs to be investment in charging infrastructure though I wouldn't go overboard as the primary charging location should be at home.
    Emissions are rising due to more ICE cars on the road, in particular ones with petrol as the fuel source (I include hybrids).
    And of course our national population is increasing meaning more people and goods to be moved around.

    I don't see what the new government will do much different. My main point here was that having a green minister in charge of a portfolio, and that portfolio failing on the main thing the Green Party fight for is not a good look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,319 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well it's kind of impossible to reduce car journeys with the way a lot of the country is set up. One off housing splattered around all over the place and isolated estates. Greens tried but 100 years of terrible planning by FFFG is now impossible to undo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Your wet dream of us all living in Soviet style apartment blocks and owning nothing isn't going to happen here anytime soon Comrade Watermelon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Of course it's possible to change. EVs would be the solution to that. Housing in the country isn't the problem here in my view. Look at Dublin any day to see it packed with cars. Everyone of those isn't going to one off houses. Or indeed any town



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,319 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah more one offs and endless semi Ds is the way forward of course, we can't let the WEF let us own nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,112 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Public transport is in the pits ever since the Green Party took over the transport ministry. Cars aren't a luxury anymore, they're a necessity

    The Green transport minister also stood over the recent decline in EV sales and sliced grants and other incentives. The result is more people buying petrol and diesel cars

    I think the reason behind this is that the Green Party are just generally useless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The reason there is one-off housing everywhere is because not everyone wants to be shoved into a yellow-pack housing estate where every house looks the same and every 'garden' is 5m X 3m. It's beyond high time that affordable sites for people who want to build their own was made available in and around urban centres and then I'm sure you'd see the ribbon developments stopping. What have the Greens done to address this issue during their tenure, apart from over-riding environmental laws and removing planning permission for massive asylum seeker centres.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    I suspect a lot of these one-offs were built because they had no choice. With such a massive housing shortage which the government is unable and/or unwilling to sort out, people should be allowed to take matters into their own hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,319 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I would have thought most of them were built before the housing crisis. Either way, dispersed housing everywhere and urban sprawl of semi Ds around cities is very difficult to cater for with public transport, insane that people think Eamon Ryan could sort it out in 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    “No willpower in the world can override the basic rules of physics, not even Dr. Robert Habeck.”

    - Ebba Busch, Swedish Deputy PM & Minister for Energy


    The pressure on Germany in regard to dispatchable baseload production is rising. This becomes relevant to us, our authorities plan to make up for deficits using a combination of "demand side units" i.e. force companies off the grid onto their own generation, companies either reduce production or shutdown, plus they are expanding inter-connectors to the UK and France. Where is the surplus generation from the UK coming from? UK already pulls power from France, investigation commissioned in the UK expects Ireland will mostly consume generation. The UK authorities are copying Germany, they have growing demand for electricity and eventually they too will occasionally have have insufficient generation capacity.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Malcolm Roberts Queensland senator said this:

    “Those who understand the science understand that it is fundamental. Humans cannot and do not affect the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It's controlled by nature entirely”

    “As an engineer educated in atmospheric gases, and as a business manager, I was responsible for 100 of people's lives based on my knowledge of atmospheric gases. I listen to scientists, I cross examine scientists, and I debate the science.

    I have never found anyone with logical scientific points based on empirical scientific evidence that shows we have anything to worry about at all. And the basics of this, when you burn a hydrocarbon fuel, you burn molecules containing carbon and hydrogen. With oxygen, they form C02, carbon dioxide, and H2O, water vapor.

    That's it. Carbon dioxide is essential for all life. But, let's go beyond the science and have a look at natural experiment. We've had 2 natural experiments, global experiments in the last 14 years:

    The first was in 2009 when the use of hydrocarbon fuels in the recession that followed the global financial crisis reduced. There was less carbon dioxide produced from human use of hydrocarbons. And what did that what happened to the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? It kept increasing.

    And what happened in 2020 when we had a a major recession, almost a depression around the world as a result of COVID restrictions placed by governments? We saw the same reduction in hydrocarbon fuel used by humans, the same cut in carbon dioxide output from humans, and yet carbon dioxide in the atmosphere continued increasing.

    And, those who understand the science understand that it is fundamental. Humans cannot and do not affect the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It's controlled by nature entirely.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    The same Germans persuing the mercusor deal that won't affect the rainforest in South America to breed cattle to ship to Europe. They're so concerned with carbon emmisions. Why we're all trying to imitate them at all. Since they lost cheap gas from Russia

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    we can always import more wood from rainforests to burn

    Apparently that’s green



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Tell us you don't understand statistics without telling us you don't understand statistics.

    The statistics tell us a lot of things, they tell us that transport emissions dropped hugely in 2020 because of Covid, think about how we had to lock people into their houses to achieve that. They were always going to rebound.

    The real story is that despite a 20% increase in population, the emissions in 2024 were equal to those in 2014 and below every other year up until 2020.

    If we bring forward increases in carbon tax, increase excise duty on diesel, bring more tolls into play, take more cars out of city centres, we can get back on the road to reduced emissions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Government came in 2020, if you look at the chart it is lower than 2019

    SO you have provided a chart to complain about the Green Party but in reality it shows that the emmissions are lower than 2019

    Quck looks seems to be back to 2014 levels.

    IS that not good?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sorry just seen this post. I agree.

    The post is typical around here, just use anything to bash the Green Party and they don't even understand the actual figures



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Bit embarrassing for you because the chart doesn't back this up

    In terms of electric cars, they are selling, the market share is growing and the number on the roads are growing. Never mind all the nonsense you hear posted online from people who haven't a clue about them and just afraid of new technology

    Yes electric are not selling as fast as they used to but we have a market with 70% of new car sales diesel. Diesel is now 23% and dropping. So who is buying more diesel cars? because the figures dont back that up

    Hybrids and electrics are now 44% of the market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Anybody that thinks hybrids are good for the environment can't be taken seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I didn't start a discussion about the benefit of the fuel of one car over another

    Just pointing out the sales figures

    In reality no car is good for the environment and the best thing to do is drive whatever current car you have till it falls off the road.

    Trying to argue one car is better than the other for the environment can't be taken seriously 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Folks, the point isn't the level of emissions, it's the trajectory of them in a sector where the minister was the leader of the Green Party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You cannot compare hydrids to petrol , diesel, or E.V. cars. The clue is in the word hybrid.

    I don`t know what chart you are using, but it doesn`t tally with SIMI sales.

    2023 Market share of new cars. Petrol 30.07%, Diesel 22.16%, EV 18.7%

    2024 Market share of new cars. Petrol 30.38% (+1%). Diesel 22.86% (+3.2%), EV 14.21% (-24.1%)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Is wind energy a chimera? Yes, according to the analysis below. At 50% capacity factor, wind with open cycle gas turbine (OCGT) backup only breaks even on CO2 emissions compared to baseload from closed cycle gas turbine (CCGT). The wind+OCGT solution is more expensive than CCGT. However, at lower real-world capacity factors wind is more expensive and produces more CO2 emissions.

    Wait, though, the above is an amateur attempt. And if wind is absent for an extended period aren't we using CCGT to replace it? Perhaps, but it turns out that using CCGT in this manner reduces its efficiency to that of OCGT as well as causing expensive wear and tear. Here is an Ireland-specific analysis from 2016:

    http://euanmearns.com/co2-emissions-variations-in-ccgts-used-to-balance-wind-in-ireland/

    This Australian study suggests that the amount of CO2 emissions avoided by wind power is tiny, and it does the job at 50 times greater cost than nuclear:

    https://bravenewclimate.com/files/2009/08/peter-lang-wind-power.pdf

    And this one from California is especially damning:

    "What emerges from this analysis is that in electricity systems that must choose among fossil fuel-fired means of integrating wind volatility, no plausible scenario seems to exist where wind can play a positive role as the means to achieve fossil fuel or greenhouse gas emissions savings."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The point is you provided a graph which does the opposite to what you thought it did

    Population has increased yet the emmission from transport is at 2014 levels, a huge drop from 2019 and a lot more people in Ireland.

    2022 and 2023 look fairly even so "the trajectory" ??

    https://www.transportforireland.ie/news/its-thanks-a-million-from-nta-as-passenger-numbers-surge-to-a-new-high/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    the other hand pod murdered the “Ireland gonna over 20bn to EU” meme the Greens been pushing since elections



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Christ. I provided a graph showing that over the lifetime of the green minister for transport, emissions have been increasing year on year. Am I wrong there? Looking even != even. Perhaps 2024 will see a reduction. Hopefully it does. How does the graph show the opposite of what I thought?

    emissions in the sector went up each year over the life of the past government

    They did do that.

    Certainly good news to see the record number of people on PT. Long may that continue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You are wrong

    The government took over in 2020, during covid. The comparison should be with 2019 as during 2020 and 2021 we had covid and lock downs

    The population has increased since 2019 and we are currently at 2014 levels. 2015 to 2019 it was growing year on year, then covid. So 2019 the next year to compare is 2022/23

    You had a pop at Green Party but in fact you provided information to show they had donea good job.



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