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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • #4562
    j62
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122961310#Comment_122961310

    The video is fascinating as it shows just how ultra woke the Russians are in wanting to ban Santa, Spider-Man, Batman and Harry Potter

    Which should shock MAGAs



  • #4563
    rogber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    Seems the Ukrainians managed a good hit in Moscow this weekend

    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/12/13/russias-top-missile-expert-gunned-down-in-moscow-park


  • #4564
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Makarivka has fallen into a cauldron with the last road cut off. Time for another hasty retreat if they can. Also only 2.6 km from the last supply road into Velyka Novosilka which will put that in the same situation at some point shortly along with Kuarkhove which has 80% of the residential area now under control

    mak.jpg

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/12/16/general-staff-russian-forces-assault-southeastern-kurakhove-donetsk-oblast/

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #4565
    wassie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭wassie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960293#Comment_122960293

    And also Bucha has false flag bull written all over it.

    Confirmation bias in action.



  • #4566
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960293#Comment_122960293

    Pretty pathetic, at this stage, to be pushing that rusty old "false flag" BS. Its the last refuge of the discredited as Alex Jones will tell you and you're about equal to him in credibility. So who killed those people ? Was it the Azov Battalion or MI5? We're well beyond British Intelligence. Every NGO, the EU, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, the ICC and the UN have all concluded that the Ruzzians are to blame. It's been the Ruzzian (Empire, USSR, Federation..whatever name they go under) MO as far as back as Katyn and there is a steadily increasing mountain of evidence-much of it from leaky Ruzzian sources-about Ruzzian atrocities. Making no sense? When has anything Ruzzia ever did made sense? Did "Ukrainians are nazis/satanists/drug addicts/biolab builders/zombies etc etc etc " make sense?.Their trained force of western lapdogs faithfully regurgitate every lie, however nonsensical and unlikely.

    Post edited by ilkhanid on


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  • #4567
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960293#Comment_122960293

    "And also Bucha has false flag written all over it."

    And there it is. As predicted.



  • #4568
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,626 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    That's right up there with holocaust denial…

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  • #4569
    yagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭yagan


    Bucha massacre denial is up there with Putin's "Ukraine is not a real country" slock.



  • #4570
    Rawr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭Rawr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962010#Comment_122962010

    And functionally very similar too. A denial of mass killings with the evidence of same being baselessly dismissed in order to fulfill some kind of agenda. In the case of a Russian Apologist, that agenda is to try to remove the role of villain from the invading Russian Federation, which is kind of central to any agrument they hope to build against Ukraine.

    Without Bucha they may hold a hope to "both-sides" this, but with Bucha (and numerious other similar accounts) the Russians are solidy cast as the unjust hostile invader, and Ukraine as the victim who cannot be blamed for wanting to defend themselves.

    While we're at it, lets keep blaming NAFO NATO while ignoring how the Russians indescrimatly bombed children in a clearly marked theater, their homes and best of all….in a Children's Hospital.

    I must wonder what kind of moral compass a person must have to look at all of the above and somehow be ok with it. Alas I have read about such people…and their works in history are the stuff of nightmares.



  • #4571
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960293#Comment_122960293

    Jesus H Christ. We are back to this absolute BS again!!!

    Bucha was a massacre carried out by Russians. The evidence is overwhelming.

    You should be absolutely ashamed of that post, but knowing your posting history I fcuking doubt it.

    Russians are land stealing, genocidal invaders. The West should be giving them everything they need to drive the cnuts out.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • #4572
    Dubh Geannain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    The firehose of falsehood is still switched on I see. While enabling cowards to justify a "both sides" stance, tbh the kind of people still buying into it (if not on some sort of payroll) are the kind that are better off posting their BS on here to be routinely laughed at.

    It prevents slippage in people's consciousness and helps to routinely re-highlight Russia's crimes just as they might start dimming in people's minds due to an overstimulated world. Please keep posting fire-hoseniks you are doing Ukraine a service and also kudos to those that spend their energy articulating robust responses.



  • #4573
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,423 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960962#Comment_122960962

    What is the result of such a model, do human's still live anywhere on the planet? What is the criteria for victory?



  • #4574
    Dubh Geannain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Regarding Syria. It looks like Russian's are being allowed withdraw their forces from various bases around the country. At the moment they are also being allowed consolidate their present at Tartus and Khmeimim, with Turkey confirming as much.



  • #4575
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962070#Comment_122962070

    See you people are so caught up in your narrative you even fail to see what others are saying. In fact you seem to just block it out.

    There is no apologising Russia, there is no denying Ukrainian people are the victims. Nobody wants to build a 'case against Ukraine'.

    There is simply the rejection of that fairy tale of it having happened out of nowhere. That the west and certain Ukrainian forces are blameless and they didnt know what they were most likely going in for.

    That notion that there was/is no struggle over spheres of influences that goes on forever which has no villains and no goodies, just several sides of cynical cvnts who are willing to sacrifice other countries and their people for their own insane gains. And in which 'our' side is actually one if not the major player.

    And in which both (nowhere the 2) are as least as bad as each other and IMO 'our' side is actually worse. I just need to look at the last 25 years and the devastation western (read US) arrogance, aggression and cynical brinkmanship has caused all over the world and it was only thinly veiled too. And it only needs thinly veiled becasue you have all these people with short memories and selective perception who lap it up anyway.



  • #4576
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,294 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962754#Comment_122962754

    Can you provide proof that Bucha was a "false flag"? It's very much so not an accepted claim.



  • #4577
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962790#Comment_122962790

    No I cant. And I'm not trying to. And neither did I claim that I could or would. Butcha may have been a Russian war crime. I'll give it a likely in fact. But I'm not quite ready to accept it as a 100% proven thing either. Because as we all know the truth is the thing which dies first in a war. And there was a whiff of textbook over it and the timing was weird too.

    I said it before on one of these threads. It was only a few weeks into this was when on reddit they had videos of endless lines of Russian army trucks and flatbeds w tanks on Ukrainian roads to Kiew and they were stopping at red lights and then normal everyday traffic was going through. And Ukrainian reddit users were joking thats how you know they're not Ukrainians, they're stopping at red lights, haha. There were similar accounts. Normal life continued.

    Thats not really adding up with Russian army ordered to go in hard and commit atrocities. Not saying atrocities and crimes didnt happen, they happen in all wars, but I dont buy it that it was ordered and systemic. I dare say Russian army was ordered to go in with gloves on if anything. I dont know how people picture Ukraine and Russia but it's very intertwined like husbands and wives and family ties and everything and all over the place. I just dont buy it that Russian army was ordered to go in there like SS troops.

    Thew reason this vilification is happening is why it's happening in all wars. It's how all war propaganda works. Its provides simple messages that gets the Homefront on board. Make them all shout Yay let's join NATO now and give the arms firms 10% of our GDP, ideally more. Or else the Russkies are going to eat our babies. It really works too doesnt it? Just look at this thread.



  • #4578
    wassie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭wassie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962842#Comment_122962842

    Ah stop with the back-peddling non-sense.

    You posted "…And also Bucha has false flag written all over it."

    Anything you posted after that without evidence is simply filling a void.



  • #4579
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,092 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962960#Comment_122962960

    …Yes it is a typial vatnik tactic. Drop in a false Russian propaganda claim… associating Bucha with a false flag. A claim without merit or foundation, unsupported by any credible evidence or source.

    And then when challenged, shift the response and muddy the waters without ever withdrawing the earlier claim which still stands on the thread.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4580
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962971#Comment_122962971

    Well you would know all about that wouldnt you?



  • #4581
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,092 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962983#Comment_122962983

    Yes, I know many of the vatnik posting tactics used to spread disinformation, because I have seen them on this thread.

    You have gone from this:

    Bucha has false flag bull written all over it.

    To this:

    No I cant. And I'm not trying to. And neither did I claim that I could or would. Butcha may have been a Russian war crime. I'll give it a likely in fact. But I'm not quite ready to accept it as a 100% proven thing either. Because as we all know the truth is the thing which dies first in a war. And there was a whiff of textbook over it and the timing was weird too.

    In the space of a couple of posts. All the while without withdrawing your utterly discredited conspiracy theory you dropped in there under the obvious guise of "just asking questions".
    Deliberate muddying of the waters.

    Plain for all to see what you are up to, anything to avoid condemning Russia for their atrocities in this conflict, which is the question that was put to you and you tried to dodge by dumping a pack of Russian lies onto the thread.

    So yes, a typical vatnik tactic of those engaged in spreading Russian propaganda and disinformation, seen on the thread many times whenever Russia commits an atrocity.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #4582
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,294 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962842#Comment_122962842

    So make up your mind, did the Russian army murder numerous civilians in Bucha? That event for most people did happen, it was very much so a war crime. You seem to be pretty uncertain of it happening but have no real basis for it being a "false flag". You've claimed investigations imply that it is a false flag but seem unable to point to which investigations? Honestly it just sounds like you're using similar levels of leaps as any run of the mill conspiracy theorist.

    And also Bucha has false flag bull written all over it. It did so from day one and as investigations progressed this hasnt improved quite the opposite. And I'm not saying it is, how would I know? The Russians are no angels and they are well capable of it for sure. But it makes no sense whatsoever. Leave a big smear on the way out over some minor local actors if even, conveniently just during Istanbul talks. It never made sense and it always smelled big time.



  • #4583
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,879 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962983#Comment_122962983

    "I know I'm one, but what are you." 8 years old debate technique.

    The UN, most Western powers, heck even Al-Jazeera's written articles about Bucha, but "WhatAboutWhatISaWOnReddDit."

    And, a clever slogan about the truth in war. Let me dumb this down: "If it's from RuZZia, it's a lie."



  • #4584
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962842#Comment_122962842

    Hang on now.

    First you claimed this

    "And also Bucha has false flag bull written all over it. It did so from day one and as investigations progressed this hasnt improved quite the opposite."

    Then came out with this piece of gymnastics

    "No I cant. And I'm not trying to. And neither did I claim that I could or would. Butcha may have been a Russian war crime. I'll give it a likely in fact"

    Thats quite a turn around you did in such a short space of time.

    Maybe you can point us to those investigations you were referring to.



  • #4585
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭josip


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960293#Comment_122960293

    Absolutely disgusting, attempting to deny Bucha. It's obvious from your posts that you're a Russian sympathiser, you're not alone on this thread. but what could you possibly have to gain by denying Bucha? Surely you should avoid that topic, so that you don't expose the moral impoverishment of your position to those you are seeking to sway on this thread?



  • #4586
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122963006#Comment_122963006

    You got your vatnik back, must be very happy.

    However I concede that my original 'written all over it' was not ideal.

    I retract and say likely but I'm not entirely convinced.



  • #4587
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,092 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122963042#Comment_122963042

    If you are retracting it, then I suggest you should edit your original post to clarify things more in line with your recent comments that Bucha was likely a Russian war crime. It should still be possible to edit it iirc.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4588
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122963036#Comment_122963036

    The explanation is quite simple. I am not a Russia sympathiser. At least not in the way you think I am.

    But it is a hallmark of this thread that its either black or white and no inbetweens.



  • #4589
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122963060#Comment_122963060

    I wont do that. But not because I dont want to but because it would be a little cowardly. Also what would be the point with it after being quoted about a dozen times by now.



  • #4590
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122963042#Comment_122963042

    You concede it wasn't ideal🙄

    You think the issue was 'written all over it's and no the outlandish claim of a false flag operation?

    Any chance of pointing us in the direction of those investigations? I'm sure you didn't just make it up.



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  • #4591
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122962010#Comment_122962010

    There is an entire industry dedicated to denying the atrocities of despots. The Tankies denied Katyn (and the Gulag) for decades. More lately we've seen Sbrebrenica denial and even Hutu genocide denial. We've seen it all before.



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