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Irish Rugby Player Gang Raped a Girl in France

  • 16-12-2024 10:44AM
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    The details were a little bit lacking in the Irish media for some reason. As bad as the headlines sound the actual case was a lot more horrific when reading into it. Denis Coulson, nephew of multi billionaire Paul Coulson is sentenced to 14 years. Chris Farrell was sentenced to 4 years for failure to prevent a crime.

    The question some have is why wasn't it reported in greater detail in Ireland? Are these guys getting a softer run because of where they were schooled, who they are and the fact the rugby is seen as more upper class.

    Chris Farell was part of the grand slam winning side in 2019. Two years after these offenses were committed. He was high profile Irish player immediately after the crime happened. Coulson went on to play for Bective Rangers in the Leinster Senior League under Bernard Jackman. Jackman was head coach of Grenoble in 2017 at the time of these offenses.

    The IRFU have questions to answer.

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241213-french-court-jails-3-rugby-players-for-12-to-14-years-over-gang-rape



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭gifted


    It was dealt with in the French courts....RTE covered it...they got sentenced to jail.....What else would you like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    It’s been covered in the media tbf

    Coulson, the only Irish person in the case convicted of rape never played for any of the Irish professional sides. It’s like calling for the FAI to make a statement or something because someone with a criminal investigation pending against them is playing for their local football club.

    The nature and details of Farrell’s involvement were not known in the immediate aftermath and he wasn’t contracted with the IRFU at the time of the crime - he has been stood down by the IRFU for a years now since the details have come out. His degree of involvement is clearly much worse than initially thought and he’s been rightly sentenced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Actually Coulson was with Leinster at underage and played for the senior Connacht team for a season after the incident occured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,304 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    The question some have is why wasn't it reported in greater detail in Ireland? Are these guys getting a softer run because of where they were schooled, who they are and the fact the rugby is seen as more upper class.

    Anyone asking that question, and coming up with that reasoning, is an idiot. They're still an idiot that they don't remember this:

    Inside Court 12: the complete story of the Belfast rape trial – The Irish Times

    The IRFU have questions to answer.

    The IRFU aren't involved at all in the case you're referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Fair enough, didn’t realise he’d a season at Connacht



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It was literally on the front page of the Irish Times on Saturday

    Really struggling to see the point here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭byrne249


    For this reason most likely: '

    The trial was held behind closed doors, in the absence of the media or the public, at the request of the lawyers for the complainant.'

    Certain other trials may have had a different outcome had it not been for a certain media circus surrounding it.

    Rugby players do seem to enjoy their 'team' events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    More important: what can we do to stop men raping women? Time for much more radical action



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    There is a whiff of "our Conor got is comeuppance so we are going to pretend an unknown rugby player is in the same bracket" off this thread.

    The clearer conclusion from this is that the French authorities are not afraid to go after rapists while the DPP here is more worried about the publicity of a failed conviction than actual justice. In the high profile Irish case you had a woman unable to give consent and the DPP did nothing.

    In this country Coulson would not even have been brought to trail and Farrell would not have been investigated at all knowing to way our DPP operates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    To be fair to the OP, I did find it notable that key elements of the case, including the use of the bottle, the banana and the crutch, were for the most part not specifically referenced by the Irish media, whereas they were reported in France. Especially as the crutch belonged to a former Irish international rugby player. But other than that I think the case has been fairly reported in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,015 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    V. filed a complaint with police, saying she had met the players in a bar together with two friends and accompanied them to a nightclub where all of them drank heavily.

    The student said she had no recollection of how she got from the club to the hotel where she woke up, naked on a bed and with a crutch inserted in her vagina.

    She saw two naked men in the room and others fully dressed.

    Coulson, Jammes and Grice stated they had sexual relations with V. but claimed the encounter was consensual and the student had been pro-active in bringing it about.

    Farrell, owner of the crutch, was present, as was Hayes.

    On the basis of statements from the accused and witnesses, as well as a sextape shot by Coulson, investigators have concluded there were several incidents of fellatio, and a banana, a bottle and crutches were inserted in V.'s vagina.

    A toxicology report stated her blood alcohol level was between 2.2 and 3 grams, a level considered in the danger zone for alcohol poisoning.

    CCTV footage showed her having difficulty standing up as she arrived at the hotel and being propped up by a player.

    Gros argued during the trial V. was "in no state to give her consent as these men who carried her, who were with her, know perfectly well."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭antfin


    All of these details were widely reported in the Irish media, including the crutch and the fact that the crutch belonged to Farrell. In Ireland, failure to prevent a crime isn't a crime in itself, although from what I read (in the Irish media) Farrell was far from merely a passive bystander afraid to intervene!

    I fail to see the point of the thread when it has been reported in the Irish media for years, including when Farrell was dropped by Munster in 2022 when he was first charged with an offence. The IRFU took action as soon as he was charged, when previously he was referred to as just a witness to the crime and all of it was covered by the Irish media as soon as he was charged. Coulson wasn't contracted by the IRFU after he was charged. In general the French union has a few questions to answer as they're building up a few of these types of cases and the clubs over there seem happy enough to hire players with less desirable backgrounds or pending criminal investigations. Whereas, for instance, in the Jackson trial both lads were stood down from club and country by the IRFU as soon as they were questioned and then were formally let go after they were acquited... and got contracts in France and subsequently England where Jackson still plays.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭E mac


    is Farrell still employed by Oyonnax?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭TagoMago


    This was a particularly sickening case, was absolutely shocking to read the details of this.

    I was a bit surprised by the lack of reaction as well, only think I could put it down to was that the story broke at about 10pm on a Friday night, as well as being a week out from Christmas. The timing would have lessened the impact for sure as people are less inclined to watch/read the news at these times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭jim Dempsey


    Thanks for opening this tread. It is disturbing how this story has gone away from the public mind. This was one of the worst attacks I have read about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    I get that it featured prominently for a day or so in the media but I haven't seen the same outrage that we have seen with the likes of McGregor or the Paddy Jackson trial (where he wasn't even convicted). Perhaps being the nephew of a billionaire as well as being part of the Dublin 4 elites has its benefits, is my speculation. Absolutely shocking and shameful details about what happened. 14 years is fantastic to see as a sentence; your man will be going into jail around 30 years old and won't be out until his 40s; that is a very strong punishment and hopefully a deterrent to others.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I suspect the fact the trial was in France and they are far less well known names had a much bigger impact than any perceived elite protection.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They are big enough names. We're not talking about lads who only played in the AIL.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Absolutely sickening case and hopefully the sentence will act as a warning to all men who would consider doing something like this. Unfortunately predators like this exist in all walks of life, but especially in supposedly privileged positions.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They really aren't.

    Farrell is the far bigger name (Coulson genuinely is a nobody), but for years he was only mentioned as a "witness" that the French police wanted to question. I think he was released by the IRFU as soon as he was actually charged. But wondering why they didn't get as much coverage as Paddy Jackson or McGregor has plenty of clearly obvious answers.

    There hasn't been some conspiracy of silence around the whole thing though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The trial was closed to the public and reporters.

    In rape trials in France the complainant gets to choose if they want the trial held in private.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭jim Dempsey


    Farrell is a high profile player. coulson was sighed by the Irfu even though they knew about this horrific attack. Jackman was head coach of the team. There is a lot of Irish involvement in this case but very little coverage. The people involved had links to all 4 province's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    Most people wouldn't know rugby players outside of regulars in the international squad. They might be big enough names for those who follow the AIL but the casual URC fan will never have heard of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    From the overwhelming evidence from the last couple of years and decades, a lot of these rapists seem to be celebrities or some other make of high profile, manufactured, glorified "star". The proper course of radical action would be to ban the publicity machines that glorify these disgraceful characters. Make fame illegal. See how that goes, because the glorification of it doesn't seem to benefit anybody whatsoever.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    As the protesters point out "not all men, but always a man". Men are the problem, without men raping there will be almost no rape



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭jim Dempsey


    Why do you believe women are staying quiet on this case? I have not seen any public figure speak about this horrific attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    On the 'not all men..' thing;

    Obviously I know good men who would never ever abuse or exploit a woman.

    However…

    For the vast, vast, vast majority of human existence, men have used their superior strength to cheerfully subjugate women. All over the world, for thousands of years right up to today, their wives and daughters were their property, to dispose of as they wished. Fathers forced daughters to marry old men because it was socially or financially advantageous. Slaves, servants, any women within grabbing distance were fair game.

    You don't have to go back to the middle ages or to the depths of the Amazon jungle to see this. It was legally impossible for a man to rape his wife in Ireland until 1990. Because she was his property. You can't be charged with stealing your own car or breaking your own windows, how could you be charged with raping your own wife?

    Gisèle Pelicot's husband could, without difficulty, find a worryingly large number of men who were willing to rape his wife. Those men who showed up and changed their minds about actually raping her left quietly rather than doing anything at all to help her. And those were the 'good guys' in the scenario.

    The Batavia shipwreck is a good example of what a group of men will do when they feel free from societal norms.

    The long, grim history of Pitcairn island is another.

    When we assume the men around us - the men we work with or meet socially, the plumbers we let into our houses or the taxi drivers whose cars we sit into - are not potential rapists, we are assuming that, had they been born at another point in history, they wouldn't have been rapists either.

    And that is not a safe assumption.



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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anti male feminists are potentially as dangerous as male rapists.



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