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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I now understand why he is so loudly and repeatedly questioning everyone saying North Koreans are involved in this war

    North Koreans attacking a European country alongside Russia gives a concrete reason for any country anywhere near Russia to promptly join NATO or similar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭brickster69


    They would be defending against anyone who would attack a member of the alliance. It would be purely defensive though not attacking anyone. Maybe Serbia, Georgia and Belarus could join also, not a problem is it ?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭zv2


    You are making shallow comparisons. The US is not trying to invade Russia or China. Russia has been mass murdering since Russia came into existence. They simply cannot be trusted. I'm not saying the US is entirely innocent but they are, and have been for a long time, essential for world stability, despite their failings. The Russians are murderous devils. They always have been.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,134 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Unfortunately, I don’t think the fact that most countries have finally reached 2% really helps, there. That was the level agreed upon years ago, as an amount to be spent as adequate in a time of peace. After a couple of decades of underspending, it still doesn’t really fix the current questionable state of the armed forces, let alone increasing overall capacity by much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭zv2


    No problem so long as we can have a trainload of hydrogen bombs in Donbas, Japan, Taiwan, Florida and 100 other places around the world. These people cannot be trusted. History shows that. Right now China is attacking Europe. So is Russia. You have no problem with that?

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Russia is three years into their Three day invasion with pictures of their North Korean buddies being stacked like cordwood today

    And the discussion got redirected and hijacked into whataboutery about obvious and repeatedly proven as fake “concerns” by a country run by a criminal clown

    Well done, bravo, expertly done, if only we could tap this epic gaslighting and sell it down some sort of pipeline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,335 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Par for the course: lots of words, but nothing - absolutely nothing - concrete as a security problem. Just "Russian concerns" and "Russian worries" about something something NATO something something "the West".

    None of those great minds, nor yourself, has actually set out a realistic, clearly defined threat to Russia. And for the sake of simplicity, let's stick to talking about Russia, and not be dragging up talking points from the 1940s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    The US have a long list of interference, coups and overthrown governments and murder in south and central America. A very long well documented list. You can't possibly deny this.

    They also have a long list of bombing countries to sh1t for no good reason whatsoever e.q. Iraq.

    So whatever Russia does please don't take us for fools with regards to what the US are willing and capable of doing in this everlasting tussle over spheres of influence or whatever you wann call it. Which of course has massive bearing on the case of Ukraine as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It has no bearing on Ukraine and is textbook whataboutery. Ignoring / downplaying / aplogia for the atrocities and aggression of the current Russia regime in the conflict under discussion in favour of accusations against the US under different leaders and decades ago.

    The regime today taking people for fools is Russia pumping out lies about the war of plunder and rape in Ukraine... lies discredited by their own actions which prove they have no fear of nato invading.

    Update the moral compass to 2024.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Updated moral compass. Pull the other one. You must be thinking people are born yesterday or something. I'd bet my house you dont even beleive that crap yourself.

    And I already stated why it has bearing on this conflict. Because it would not exist without US interference.

    And also these are not accusations I'm talking about. These are things they did. And again you know that. So what do we call someone who spins sh1t against their better knowledge? A manipulator? A liar?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭wassie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yeah there would be no conflict. Because Russia would reduce Ukraine to a vassal state without having to fight for it. Which is what Russia tried to do by violating the Budapest agreement and threatening economic sanctions on Ukraine if it signed the EU association treaty.

    At best Russia would turn Ukraine into another Belarus.

    At worst, no conflict, just massacres, rapes, child abuse, executions of civilians deemed a threat to Russian occupation. Bucha writ large.

    An outcome it is evident you have no issue with. As the absence of condemnation in your post for atrocitites like Bucha demonstrate. How many posts do you have criticising Russias many war crimes? How many posts with whataboutery about the US?

    Speaks volumes.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    America was wrong to interfere in South America and therefore Russia is correct to invade Ukraine is an incredibly stupid line of logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    At best Ukraine could have been the exact same place it was before 2014.

    I am sure you have vast evidence for your repeated claims of

    massacres, rapes, child abuse, executions of civilians deemed a threat to Russian occupation

    And no, Ukraine telegram or 'British Intelligence' does not count as evidence.

    And also Bucha has false flag bull written all over it. It did so from day one and as investigations progressed this hasnt improved quite the opposite. And I'm not saying it is, how would I know? The Russians are no angels and they are well capable of it for sure. But it makes no sense whatsoever. Leave a big smear on the way out over some minor local actors if even, conveniently just during Istanbul talks. It never made sense and it always smelled big time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I see any excuse now being rolled out now to avoid dealing with the reality of Russian atrocities... executing children on their way home. Its valid to kill civilians making their way home on bicycles, they must be the clear and present danger represented by possible nato expansion.

    "An eight-month visual investigation by The New York Times concluded that the perpetrators of the massacre along Yablunska Street were Russian paratroopers from the 234th Air Assault Regiment led by Lt. Col. Artyom Gorodilov.The evidence shows that the killings were part of a deliberate and systematic effort to ruthlessly secure a route to the capital, Kyiv. Soldiers interrogated and executed unarmed men of fighting age, and killed people who unwittingly crossed their paths — whether it was children fleeing with their families, locals hoping to find groceries or people simply trying to get back home on their bicycles."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/video/russia-ukraine-bucha-massacre-takeaways.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭zv2


    @j62 "Speaking of dogs, has anyone seen Assad?"

    Last seen in Bewleys eating rasher sandwiches with Clare Daly.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Another report of the infrastructure of putin's terrorist state been decommissioned by sabotage within the russian federation. The front lines his terrorists are reported to be moving forward seem very porous now that he has been sending so many of his terrorists to die in attacks to grab land they wont have the resources to hold.

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/in-russia-five-locomotives-were-burned-and-a-track-was-blown-up/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,962 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    You're partly right , there is no winning this for Russia , .. they've already lost so much , there are degrees of loss ,

    There has been plenty of propaganda, most of it Russian and Ukrainian, I can't remember a lot of particularly convincing US propaganda,to justify Russia's ill-fated invasion of its neighbour,

    I do remember Putin being interviewed by that asshole Tucker Carlson , and Tucker asked if the war had been brought about by NATO and the west - basically Putin shot him down and went into a big lit tirade about Russian destiny..

    So ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭yagan


    Russia's biggest weakness has been believing it's own misinformation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Can only wish. Although it is might be a Syrian or Iranian munitions dump. A weakened Iran doesn't help Russia either though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,423 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Even the Soviet Union wasn't a true competitor with the US and now a Russia that is about 30 years in the past technologically is to be compared with the US which has only grown in global superiority since the Cold war. It's not that the US is the only western superpower, it is that it is the only superpower, nothing else compares. What we are talking about about here is can the US cripple a weakened regional power without risking a single soldier or it's latest tech. Militarily France would be a match for the Russians, economically though , the state of Illinois would be more of a match. Making comparisons like "what would America do if mexico joined an alliance..." I mean ... An elephant and a mouse are both mammals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,838 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    IMG_4674.jpeg

    but despite ration cards, the 3 day SMO is going as planned and Russia is as strong as it ever was….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    So the sabotage of few weeks ago … was Russia

    They do have a history of destroying **** in Baltic like the NordStream pipeline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well, the Americans modelled a war with China and concluded that China would win.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/12/putin-abandons-arctic-gas-production-as-sanctions-bite/

    So the LNG project that used to be pride of Putin’s is abandoned

    Facility was build and financed by western companies from whom it was promptly stolen only for Russians to realise the don’t have the tech or knowhow

    Let that be a lesson to companies, investing in Russia is height of stupidity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,570 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Group complaints online have now become normalised in Putin's Russia. Last year it was unpatriotic. This year meh..

    This one is about no heating in the soviet style apartment blocks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Has Tucker Carlson seen this yet? He will be impressed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I wonder what Carlson and MAGAs would say about Russians wanting to ban … Santa

    Report from BBC:

    At end also mentions that interest rates about to go to 23-25%



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well, in all fairness, it has been long suspected that Santa is a nazi.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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