Energy infrastructure

No batteries are remotely cheap enough, trying to split hairs over powerwalls vs megapacks makes not an iota of difference.

My source was this:

I know you have little shame but claiming the SA grid fell over due to over dependence on renewables? SA which has almost zero renewables (just 0.2% wind) - but it's that 0.2% of capacitythat causes it to fall over? While 90% of their electricity comes from coal and gas? Seriously, do facts matter at all to you, when you spout this sort of nonsense?

It's been handed to you already but you clearly have no interest in facts since you keep asking the same question over and over. The cost is public knowledge and is published in official government documents - the post-CFD prices are available from ESB 15 minute auction settlement prices while the strike price of their contracts are published in the RESS auction results. If this curiosity about the cost of wind was actually genuine, it would take you 10 or 20 minutes to find the answer you're claiming to be interested in.

Even 20 minutes of background reading on the current state of the electricity sector, particularly ANY international or peer reviewed study which covers LCOE or LACE would give you a clear picture of the comparative cost of various generation technologies, from data gathered globally.

It can only be described as willful ignorance given how little effort and time it would take to learn a little about the modern electricity sector - an effort you seem to find insurmountable. If you put a fraction of the effort you put into posting drivel here into learning about the subject, there might be an actual discussion to be had.

As it is, it's like discussing geography with a flat-earther who keeps dragging the conversation back to demands for "proof" that the earth is spherical but simple ignores all the evidence offered to them.

Is there not increasing demand at night for all that excess wind energy to charge cars, run heat pumps, charge home batteries, run washing machines, dryers, dishwashers, energy cloud were doing a pilot for social housing etc...

Be interested to hear what your solution is to decarbonize our economy in the next 15 years

So you don't even have 1 suggestion then?

Obviously facts have not been handed to me because they aren't there to be provided. There are figures available which paint wind and solar generation in a favourable light but they are not the TRUE COSTS of Wind and Solar generation which others must shoulder.

My mistake, I assumed you were capable of using google. The evidence has been shoved in your face repeatedly and yet you pull this Chemical Ali act over and over.

Just to shut you up with this daft line of argument, there were 4 RESS auctions, an 1 ORESS (for offshore wind). To get you started, here's the result of RESS1:

https://cms.eirgrid.ie/sites/default/files/publications/RESS-1-Final-Auction-Results-%28R1FAR%29.pdf

Go to page 6, it lists every scheme which got approval, its capacity and the classification of the scheme while page 4 shows the price for each classification.

Is this enough for you? These are the TRUE costs, these represented the contracted rates paid for each MWh that the Irish wholesale market pays to purchase from the listed renewable schemes.

He never does. I wouldn't bother engaging.

Interconnectors are grossly expensive and profoundly stupid. Energy independence should be basic policy.

Norway is facing an energy price crisis that has caused a political storm. The two ruling parties in the government coalition are considering ending cooperation on energy connections with Denmark, as well as renegotiating interconnector agreements with the United Kingdom and Germany.

News article:

https://energetyka24.com/elektroenergetyka/wiadomosci/norwegia-ograniczy-eksport-energii-do-europy-sytuacja-jest-absolutnie-fatalna

Norway's energy minister, Terje Aasland, described the current situation as "absolutely dire". The ruling Labour Party has announced that in next year's parliamentary elections it will fight to switch off interconnectors to Denmark when the contract ends in 2026.

The coalition Centre Party has long advocated ending cooperation with Denmark and renegotiating agreements with the United Kingdom and Germany. 

This is yet another case of dunkleflaute deniers getting owned.

I'm not saying that our high electricity price is all winds fault ,or all solars fault - or all gases fault , but gas generation ,sets the price , and the cost of electricity goes up in months when there's not much renewable energy on the grid ..

Ultimately it's a combination of gas and renewables , with renewables only being paid for what they produce , and some Gas being paid to be spinning reserve and availability, legacy stations like money point and possibly tarbert will also be paid for availability,

Not really sure how batteries/ grid storage and interconnectors are going to be paid - some do grid stabilization ,so will probably be paid on an ongoing basis , others function as peakers ..

Most of the "extras " grid stabilization,batteries as peakers , interconnectors, reserve spinning reserve and legacy stations are desirable on the grid no matter what our generation system, and they all have cost ..

Incidentally, since our energy price is largely decided by auction, which means the gas generation price largely sets the price ,and we're "tight " for electricity " is energy companies getting permissions to build new and connect new capacity and then not building what they agreed upping our prices significantly.. ?

I will not stop showing examples of the massive delta between Irish Electricity Prices and International prices.

Translation: no I will not acknowledge my errors, no I will not respond when evidence is presented to me that directly contradicts my claims, yes I will change the subject when I get called out on my claims…

I'd love to discuss the disparity between wholesale electricity in different countries - for sure a very interesting subject. But I'm not going to because there's been no resolution to the previous discussion point - whether anyone knows the price of renewable electricity in Ireland.

Like I say there's no point in continuing - because you'll just circle back later and repeat the lie about renewable energy prices.

An endless circle of repetition.. no thanks - it's not even fun for the participants never mind the poor unfortunates following the thread in the hope of, you know, reading some news about developments in the energy sector.

Instead they're treated to the same old drivel that's been doing the rounds for years.