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Solis inverter settings

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Thanks to everyone who posted instructions for setting charging times and a video link posted as well 👍. Switched to a smart tariff recently so changed the setpoints today.

    Set charge to 20A, are there any downsides to that? (Only 5kWh battery, long night rate no EV boost) I don't want to limit charging from solar to 20A. I'm assuming that page on the inverter controls grid charging only.



  • Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Correct. Charge/discharge page is only for grid charging. I've mine set to ~20amp too for a slower charge in the mornings, ending at 9am so I don't pull from my battery before the night rate ends. Night rate changing to end at 8am at the end of this month, don't forget.

    If you ever get a smart rate with peak rates between 5-7pm, you can "save" some battery for those hours by doing a charge of 0amps between 3-5 (or whatever is needed) to retain some battery for the peak hours. "charging" will stop your battery from discharging, even if set to 0Amps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Thanks. I do have a 5 to 7 peak rate so went all in charge at 01:00 right around to 16:00. This should give me a full battery at 4pm to get me through til night rate again.

    Energia pay a decent FIT so I don't mind having the battery nobbled during daylight. This is winter prep, will end charge at 9am next April.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Duine_Eigin


    Hi. Looking for some help with a new battery I recently installed with my 5kW Solis Hybrid. I installed a 15kWh Gobel Power PC200 and confirmed the User Define battery settings below with Gobel themselves. I’m on the Pinergy EV plan and would like to charge the battery as much as possible over the three-hour night rate period. I have the charge rate set at 100A but I understand the Solis Hybrids have a derating issue whereby the charge current is reduced after a certain amount of time. I believe I am seeing this issue but I am seeing much lower charge rates than I thought I would. See the graph below. By the end of the charging session, I am seeing a rate of only 45A at a SOC of 73% with an average of 11kWh being sent to the battery each night. Additionally, I installed a fan on the inverter to keep the internal operating temperatures in check. The max temperature I’m seeing with the fan operating is 54C. I should note that the battery has no issue charging to 100% from PV during the day and I am only seeing these issues when charging at night.

    Are there any changes I can make to improve the charge current over the charging window?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Charge voltage, is only 3.45 per cell, as it gets closer to that voltage the charge rate will slow.

    Possibly your seeing a reduction due to the solis at the start but, the latter reduction is due to the battery.

    I normally run at 3.5-3.55 per cell.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Duine_Eigin


    Thanks for the quick response. Re the charge voltage, I specifically asked Gobel to confirm the floating and absorption voltage last week and the 55.2V values are what they quoted for the battery. I responded to them with the same graph as I sent above but they haven't responded yet. I'll try the higher voltage tonight and see how it fares out. Thanks.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    55.2/3.45 per cell would be a fairly conservative charge voltage. Does no harm, just slightly slower charge rates when nearly full.

    Your SoC may be a little out of sync too, and may be reporting lower than it actually is.

    When's the last time you got to 100%

    (Edit, to add you don't have to go straight to 3.5/3.55 per cell, you can bump it up gradually, )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Duine_Eigin


    When you say nearly full, what SOC are you talking about? Most mornings, I’m seeing a SOC of about 70-75% after charging from 10%. And as you can see from the graph, the charge rate starts to drop from 50% SOC so not nearly full.

    Last time I got to 100% was on 24/10, the last time we got some proper sunshine. The same drop in charge rate was seen the following morning.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Mine passes 3.4v when under charge, at about 70%. (but im running a charge voltage of 57v)

    If you graph the battery voltage too, you'll prob see the current drop as the voltage rises



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Cuauhtemoc


    Hi,

    Looking for some help with Solis inverter.

    It's set to self use now. I'd like to change it to Feed in priority which I believe would stop it charging the batteries during the day and export more. We have enough capacity from the battery charging during 2 - 6am.

    If I enable feed in priority mode will it automatically disable the self use and charge from Grid option?

    There also doesn't appear to be a charge/discharge option under the feed in priority option either. Unless it appears when enabled?

    Thanks.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The charge and discharge will appear after its selected.

    Yes feed in priority will only charge the battery due to schedule or if the AC output of the inverter reaches 5kW and there is spare "capacity" in the panels. That excess will go to the battery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Cuauhtemoc


    Great. Thanks. Change made. Still charging the batteries but maybe takes a while to apply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Cuauhtemoc


    One last question. Is it possible to export everything? Even In feed in priority mode the pv is still partially feeding the house alongside the battery.

    Thanks



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    No, as you can't import and export at the same time. House always gets covered first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Moving my ongoing query from Seplos BMS to here, as I think the tweaks have fixed the battery issue, but now the inverter might need some tweaking.

    I had been having an issue where every 10ish days my Seplos batteries would drop from a claimed 50-70% SOC down to below 10% SOC. I changed my settings to charge the cells to a more reasonable 3.5V (previously at 3.4V) but then I was getting OV-ILLC alarms when the batteries reached 100% SOC each night from grid charging.

    I then got remote access to the Solis APP and I have remotely set my 100% SOC to 99%, representing a full SOC at 3.465V. Since doing that a few days ago, I got no alarms and still haven't had a voltage cliff drop, except for this morning, where I have the OV-ILLC alarm when the battery SOC was at 99%. I checked the inverter voltage and current. Current looks OK at under 22A and voltage reached 245V which is when the current was dropped to zero before recovering soon after.

    Good idea to set the full SOC to 98% and see if this stops the alarms? Hoping to find the right balance between a full charge to balance the packs and a low enough voltage to avoid grid inverter alarms. I'm conscious though that 98% brings me to an effective SOC of 3.43V per cell, which is only 0.03V higher than when I was having the voltage nose dives. Maybe I should change the BMS to be at 3.45V instead and update the full pack to 55.2V rather than the effective 55.44V they are presently restricted to?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Clf


    Give these settings a go with the pylon battery profile on the inverter. Set the battery overvoltage higher (60V) on the inverter than the BMS total overvoltage protection and disable the BMS total overvoltage protection switch. You may also need a firmware upgrade on your inverter also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 386 ✭✭mjatkey


    Hi, when I queired with Seplos they told me its this setting that sets the inverter charge voltage request.

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    BMS total overvoltage protection 56V ….this sets the pack voltage that triggers 100% soc.

    BMS cell overvoltage protection 3.65V ….this sets the cell voltage that triggers 100% soc.

    BMS total overvoltage protection function switch ….not sure turning this off would be a great idea?

    Inverter overvoltage 60V should be less than the BMS charging request voltage.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭NedNew2


    The latest firmware has updated charging/discharging features allowing the current and SOC settings per charge/discharge session to be set. This is a big improvement however I noticed what I consider to be a shortcoming.

    The current logic is: If session SOC is reached then stop charging/discharging but keep the session open until the session end time is reached.

    Better logic would be: If session SOC or session end time is reached then stop charging/discharging and close the session.

    Scenario: Let's say battery min SOC is 20%, discharge session SOC is 25% and session end is 2200 but 25% SOC is reached at 2100. Any demand between 2100-2200 is fed from the grid not the battery even though there is 5% left to use on the battery (because 25% SOC limit is reached & the discharge window remains open).

    I have made a request to Solis to change the logic as above and they replied to say it would be considered if there were more requests for it - so if anyone would like to see this very promising feature improved please send an email to euservice@solisinverters.com.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    what version is the latest firmware - what model inverter are you on? Do you still have to log a ticket to get updated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭NedNew2


    I'm not at home at the minute to check everything but I did just ask Solis for the latest one. I have the Solis S5-EH1P5K-L, model 3104 and now have inverter version 4B004F-800000.

    Yes, just log a ticket by sending a request to euservice@solisinverters.com.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Geeyfds53573




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Does anybody know was there an update with solis inverters?, previously up to few days ago my app stopped at sunset telling me house load but now i can see load 24hrs a day.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    A recent fw update seems to have moved the inverter to AC power during the night hours. I haven't got the fw update myself but have read similar reports elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Neil040


    I have a solis hybrid inverter 5kw and a seplos bms 15kw battery from fogstar and all working well, no solar yet, just load shifting and running house all day from the EV rate which is great but the inverter seems to have a high background consumption.

    I thought my minimum power consumption seemed high so I tested by switching all curcuits off one by one until all off and looking at the seplos display could see approx 150w going into the inverter, and all switches off could only being used by the solis.

    That is way too much right? Best info I can find says should be some idle consumption but would be expected to be maybe 50w or less?

    Any ideas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,671 ✭✭✭✭con747


    The Solis inverter can use anywhere from 100 to 150 odd watts just to do what it needs to do.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 386 ✭✭mjatkey


    Are pretty much all inverters the same, I've seen talk else where of eco mode? I think but haven't got round to proving though that the Solis and Seplos only (no solar) in our apartment uses more energy for its own use then the Solis and WECO's with solar in the house in Dublin, but like I said its just a huntch, I need to do the shutting off everything bar the inverter and dis the panels to it to confirm.

    To add, the apartment because its not in use all the time uses on average 1Kwh per day (fridge freezer, couple of security cameras and a few Alexa devices) looking at the ESBN data, and now with the Solis and Seplos its arround 4Kwh, which of course is coming out the battery meaning I'm a good 2-3KwH short of what I thought I would be flogging back to the grid.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,671 ✭✭✭✭con747


    I can only comment on the Solis I have and that's what it uses to keep things in order.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Neil040


    I think you must be right, thanks. It is hard to discover this, cannot even see any figure for this consumption in the manual. Kinda makes a mockery of the 97% efficiency claimed! I guess this probably affects most at low usage and becomes less relatively when more power is being pulled out.

    I am only using battery at the moment so that 100 to 150 watts adds up to a significant daily share of the battery just to operate.. not a huge problem as so far I am only using at the EV rate. Just effectively reduces my working battery capacity and my calculations for energy cost savings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,671 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Plus you have to factor in the loss for battery charging and discharging as well! Which can vary from 5% to at worst 10% AFAIK.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 386 ✭✭mjatkey


    I assume charging and discharging at lower current over longer time would reduce this "internal consumption" or is it petty much fixed based on how the inverter works, when I was scoping out the apartment install Solis told me to use an AC coupled inverter (which they don't have availble in europe until next year) which is why I went with the hybrid.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



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