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HKC Open tamper fault

  • 09-12-2024 05:52PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭


    Hi. We bought our house a few months back, 2nd hand place. It has a standard HKC wired system in place. The system was working fine when we moved in initially, but now I have an "open tamper" warning on one of the zones. I've gone to all the window sensors, taken the covers off, and put them back on again - but nothing seemed dislodged in any way. Is there a typical cause for an open tamper alarm, when everything does seem intact? One thing I did think was curious, as I was taking off the covers to check one by one, it didn't activate the alarm at all - I thought the system should be triggered if you take the cover off a sensor?

    Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭JamBur


    Im not an expert, but in a domestic setup the tampers wouldnt normally be on sensors. They would be on the bell box, the control panel, maybe the keypad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭altor


    The wiring or a tamper on a device on that loop could be the issue.

    You could problem solve by looping each one out to see which one is showing open or if wired non end of line you could put a loop across the zone tamper for that zone in the control panel.

    The alarm side, which would be more important in your case, will still function correctly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭kelbal


    Thanks a mil - when you say looping out - you mean opening up each window sensor one by one, and………..

    (1) If its a sensor mid-circuit, join red to red and black to black.

    (2) If its the end of the loop, join red to black

    I think this is how you take the sensor out of consideration, and the system thinks all is OK?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭pale rider


    wouid you not get the system serviced, peace of mind knowing all is working as intended ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭kelbal


    Well, it was working perfectly, and now this one fault has popped up. If it can be investigated with some straightforward steps and its able to activate again, why wouldn't I give it a go



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Yes, you would need to join the tamper circuit cables together. So if you had 2 yellows or 2 blues across the tamper on the device, you would unscrew these and join them together. After doing each one you can check on the keypad to see if the fault has cleared. The last device would have a yellow and blue in the tamper, again, joing these together.

    Please note, it could be any colour used and I would advise taking photos of the wiring on the devices as you go so you can put them back together as they are if all else fails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭kelbal


    I gave that a go, pulling out the middle 2 wires from the 6 ports on each sensor, tying them together, and the fault didn't clear. Potentially a damaged wire along the way? If the tamper circuit is just to detect when a sensor cap is taken off, I'm not too bothered if thats not working. Could I just go to the main system panel, and for that zone that's giving the tamper error, just do a small bridge across where the blue and yellow are going in, fooling the system into thinking all is ok on the tamper circuit?.... You can see cable for each zone here, I'm just going to take out yellow and blue and do a all wore between the ports, that ok?.....

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It probably requires a resistor of a specified value to short out the tamper circuit. There might be a few spare floating around the bottom of the panel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Yes exactly, Loop between the tamper side of the zone will fool the panel into not knowing if its open or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭kelbal


    Have it sorted. Very simple fix 😬. The error on the panel was saying "Tamper Zone 4 (downstairs back)" - so I was only focussing on the downstairs entries at the back of the house. I just found a sheet that listed all the systems components, and theres a "Tamper 4" - which is the upstairs panic button. It had been pressed in by one of the kids - it's the type that stays pressed in and you have to reset it. As soon as I did that, all working fine again. I just got side tracked by a misleading message.

    But , I've learned more about my system. Thanks for all your help and suggestions, much appreciated



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭altor


    That device should have been put on its own zone and the type changed to panic so that is the confusion as apposed to putting it on a tamper loop.



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