Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

id be very interested in what was discussed when they were making the call at the end. Scannell was there so i would hope he was saying he wasnt confident because otherwise it was a fairly poor call - an extra try was going to be largely immaterial and working a drop goal is 50/50 at best anyway so the kick at goal would have been the best option imo

He kicked out the ball on the full inside our 22 with seconds left in the first half. Gave an awful forward pass to JOD, under no pressure, when we looked certain to score. Knocked on the ball from the kick off, that led to the scrum that they got the winning penalty from.

No way. Totally sh1t kick. Like Burns with Ireland, went for too much distance. The only call here is off the pitch and go again.

Hopefully a learning experience as I like Crowley and Ireland need a consistent performer at 10. I thought he was going to be it.

Munster fans have been pissing on the Byrne's (fairly for the most part) but that performance by Crowley was truly awful. Conservative Ross would have buried that...10 metres behind Crowley s target.

10m behind where crowley kicked it to would have barely made any ground and would have been pointless, they might as well have just tapped or went for a scrum. i dont think kicking for touch was the right call but i dont put the fault on crowley. its also not the same as BB v Wales, that was purely bad execution whereas this down to a piece of brilliant individual skill to keep the ball in

Oh ya I know. I'm referring more to the Ben Healy munster had. Not the current version

So am I 😁

5m gain would also have been a bad kick. Iirc, the kick was taken from around halfway. Crowley was always going to back himself to get as much out of it as he could.

Yes, he didn’t make touch, yes, that’s on him and yes, he’ll have to take it on the chin.

But some of the stuff on here has been very reactionary, imo.

If That kick was by Billy Burns he would be crucified.

Correct and it’s not dissimilar to what’s been happening Crowley here.

I mean, it was a bad miss, there’s no other way to describe it. It happens to all out halves at some point.

I’d be far more concerned about his overall performance and the loss of Casey

The big problem now is needing big performances in January to get a home knockout game.

The problem for Crowley now is that he's surely rested next week for Ulster.

And looking forward to Ulster, Munster could be going up there without any of the lads that were injured last night

He pundits like he played, with a smile on his face. He put the defeat in perspective and acknowledged the short comings.

He's a breath of fresh air when you compare him to the VM panel for the AIs.

Aa popular as it is to have a in depth conversation about Crowley, the ongoing problem at prop were far more detrimental to our performance last night than Jack.
Going down to the south of France with two 36 year old props playing for an hour, I mean I think most of us would have expected Killer and Archer to have retired last summer. Same issues last year versus Bayonne.
The scrum pens has a massive bearing on the game. When Castres were pinned 5m out and a man down, they got two consecutive scrum penalties to get them 3 points. Their winning penalty came from a scrum. And I’m not blaming Archer or Kilcoyne, it’s just that we still need them to play because this club hasn’t produced props.

100% agree with this. At the start of the 2nd half, Castres were down a man and we had a lineout at their 5m. We knocked on, they win a scrum penalty and exit to half way. Another (I think scrum?) penalty there puts them deep into our territory and from there we concede a pen and go down 13-7.

That's the type of thing that was the winning and losing of the game. Losing Bleuler so early was a huge loss.

Completely agree - but there is no getting away from the fact that Jack did genuinely have a poor game yesterday.

He shouldn't be crucified for it, but it shouldn't be glossed over either.