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Do you think Iceland joining the EU would be good for the EU and for them?

  • 14-12-2024 02:02AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,142 ✭✭✭✭
    Ms


    So it looks like Ireland was not the only one having elections these last few weeks. The Icelandics also went to the polls and are also trying to form a Government maybe one that will want to join the EU. They were close to it before untill some anti EU parties got into power and it was put on hold. Remind you of anyone?

    So would you like to see Iceland join the EU?

    I would and think it is about time they did.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jodaw


    No



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Probably good for the people of Iceland, but maybe not so good from a country perspective.

    Do I want them to join? Sure why not, come on in and join the party but for God's sake leave that rotted fermented shark thing at home 🤮



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Simi


    I'd personally like if they joined, but I can't see how it would be beneficial for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    dont know if its such a good idea for them, given their tiny population size.

    everyone in the eu then gets the right to live there.

    thats ok when you're a germany or spain sized country, it would take millions to dilute your individuality.

    but theres only 380,000 of them. and an eu pool of 440 million.

    norway or swiss id say hop on in, they have the numbers to keep their native influence over their country.

    but icelanders would soon have new arrivals from wherever coming over telling them what to do, on the local level.

    it would only take some kind of economic boom and the arrival of 50k over a decade. next thing they know some blow-in from wherever is in authority in their town/workplace and telling them whats what.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    We should block their entry until they pay reparations for abducting our women back in the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    I like Iceland. I go there on Thursdays.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭csirl


    Yes. Makes sense. There's a danger of them being more isolated in a world where open trade is likely to be replaced by tarrifs going forward.

    Dont get the swamped by newcomers issue. Luxembourg is also small.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    They don't meet the Copenhagen criteria, so it is not going to happen, perhaps in a couple fo decades…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Half the population of Luxembourg weren't born there. That would be a drastic change to Iceland.

    https://statistiques.public.lu/en/recensement/nationalites.html

    Iceland has a tiny population, wouldn't make much impact on the EU itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Is there anything preventing everyone from moving to Iceland now? (Other than the **** climate, volcanos and crazy prices).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭Kiteview


    Iceland already has had EU-style Freedom of Movement since 1992.

    Back then it was introduced with all EU countries as part of the then new EEA agreement and also, separately, with all EFTA countries (by updating the EFTA agreement). It should be pointed out also that if a new country joins the EU, all EFTA EEA counties must introduce Freedom of Movement with that new EU country. However, in the unlikely event of a country joining EFTA, there is no obligation whatsoever on any EU country to introduce Freedom of Movement with that new EFTA country.

    Hence, as people from EU/EFTA countries have had the right to move to Iceland for decades, whether or not Iceland joins the EU is not going to alter the pre-existing EEA Freedom of Movement arrangements and associated population movements. The only difference if they joined would be you’d arrive in Iceland as a fellow EU citizen moving to a fellow EU country under EU law, instead of as an EU citizen moving to an EFTA country under EEA agreement law!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Probably a better country to have in the EU than Bulgaria and Romania who have only given us a certain ethnic minority who come here to work on getting prosperous at the expense of the countries citizens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,289 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Don't they?

    The EU council accepted in 2010 that they did, what's changed since then?

    At a meeting on 17 June 2010, the European Council noted that Iceland met the Copenhagen criteria and decided that accession negotiations should be opened. The Council agreed on a framework for negotiations with Iceland on 26 July 2010, officially starting the accession negotiations.

    https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/enlargement/iceland/#:~:text=At%20a%20meeting%20on%2017,officially%20starting%20the%20accession%20negotiations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Yes, since all EU countries are members of the EEA and Iceland is also a member of the EEA, there is freedom of movement between Iceland and the EU/EEA countries, as well as most of the economic benefits arising from this membership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Firblog


    They'd be mad to join if they place any value on their fisheries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    They would probably negotiate an opt-out on fisheries and they would be successful in this negotiation imo. They would probably also seek an opt-out from joining the Euro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    As an aside, I think the government of Iceland were in favour of joining but the people were not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,289 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    There is no possibility of negotiating an opt-out of the Euro post Lisbon. Adoption of monetary union is part and parcel of EU Accession and has been since the Lisbon treaty.

    Prior opt outs such as Denmark who had an opt out in place since the days of the EMU, and of course the UK who opted out during Maastricht. No country has a treaty guaranteed opt out and I am certain no country would be offered such.

    What a country can do, such as Sweden. Is sign their accession agreement (albeit on Maastricht terms) agree to join the Euro once they meet the technical & fiscal requirements and then deliberately hold themselves in abeyance of the requirements to prevent monetary union.

    No new accession country, not even the UK will be granted an opt out of such a foundational requirement of the TFEU, and certainly not Iceland.

    Iceland as it stands has all the market access it needs, while I'd certainly welcome it's membership, what does it gain above existing EEA/EFTA status that is worth giving up it's explicit sovereignty over currency, foreign affairs and other EU competencies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    id expect they have their own immigration regime set by local elected govt.

    (edit: kiteviews post seems to have corrected me on that)

    I can't see much sense in them not joining in that case. They're basically hanging around the door and gawking in.

    Iceland is the reverse brexit cat.

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    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Firblog


    From what I remember fisheries has been the main stumbling block for Norway joining the EU, if Norway didn't get an opt-out from the CFP I doubt Iceland would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Though it is quite some time since the government of Norway engaged in any sort of negotiation to join and the people twice rejected membership in referendums.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭Kiteview


    What is gains first and foremost is full membership of the EU which means both MEPs in the European Parliament Government Ministers in the Council of Ministers when EU legislation is being decided on, none of which Iceland has at the present.

    Currently, the EU member states pass EEA related legislation and the EFTA member states have no vote on it whatsoever (The relevant EU directives are literally marked as “EU directives with EEA effect”!).

    (And the latter can be a big deal since some businesses in the U.K. are currently upset about “new EU rules catching them by surprise”. In reality they are just an updated version of pre-existing rules from 2014 - but this time the U.K. has had no say on them!)


    Also, the EEA agreement only covers a subset of EU areas. According to an EU website:


    What does the EEA Agreement not cover?

    The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies:

    • Common Agriculture and Fisheries Policies (although the Agreement contains provisions on various aspects of trade in agricultural and fish products);
    • Customs Union;
    • Common Trade Policy;
    • Common Foreign and Security Policy;
    • Justice and Home Affairs (even though the EFTA countries are part of the Schengen area);
    • the Economic and Monetary Union (EMU).”

    https://trade.ec.europa.eu/access-to-markets/en/content/european-economic-area-eea-agreement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,715 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Do you think Iceland joining the EU would be good for the EU and for them?

    No.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Would it ease the pressure on the over-fishing of Irish waters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,289 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Joining the EU would likely see Iceland with 5, possibly 6 MEPs and a commissioner. That would certainly allow them more influence in shaping rules and policy than they currently have (none, directly at least) but, with the move across the EU institutions to qualified majority voting and reducing the veto, not as much as they might hope for.

    I have huge respect for Iceland and in particular their actions after the last financial crisis. That independence of action would likely be precisely what Icelanders see as the price for EU membership. They have much of the benefits already via EFTA/EEA and while there are benefits to be had from a voice in Parliament & Council, Icelandic interests are currently well aligned with those of the Danish and they still have influence there that they may well fell allows their "rule taker" status to be less onerous than it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,015 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    If I was in Iceland's shoes, I would be very cautious about joining. The power houses of Europe, France and Germany are in big trouble economically, politically and current EU policies ( the lack of in some cases) surrounding immigration and Mercosur are really going to question the EU principle.

    It feels there's really dark days ahead for EU as more and more countries are electing Europe skeptic parties, it's getting worrying…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭StoutPost


    It's something they'd need to consider carefully. If they're doing OK as they are I'd say stay out. I'd have no objection to them joining.



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