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Walrus Returns... Again!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I'm going to get the show on the road Iater this evening.

    I think we all like when the reveal of a Walrus is machine-gunned out to us breathlessly, but I'm going to have to do things a little differently, at least at the beginning.


    I underestimated how time consuming it is to do a Walrus, or at least I overestimated my capacity to do it at pace. 

    I do like to listen repeatedly and let the tunes percolate, which slows things down, and, also, I like to write a bit about each one too - which slows it down a bit more.

    And you throw in that pesky work/life stuff on top of it and, sure, you already hardly get anything important done.

    So, it's going to be a slow roast of a reveal, rather than a dash.

    I'll reveal the first part of Category One tonight, then part two tomorrow and then the glorious winners and losers of the category the night after - and keep bashing it out for the following category after that.

    That's kinda the way I'm going to dole it out.There will be something here every night up until Christmas Day I reckon, when the Big Undisputed Top Dog will be revealed - unless social activities, or more precisely the after effects of social activities - causes me to down tools for a day; just giving fair warning.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It's like a Walrus advent calendar. 😃

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I will be bad in the early rounds, but I'm all back loaded on this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    After I get through tomorrow, I'm all good to go in the evenings {just been very (x10) busy & tired last few weeks} 😊

    @Leg End Reject A music Advent Calendar🤘😎🤘

    love that! 😍

    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Okay guys and gals.

    There were fourteen outstanding individuals who put their money where their mouth was. I'm going to keep with the tradition of revealing the top and bottom of each round at the end: I'll keep it with the bottom & top two, but anyway:

    Category One

     - A Song That Takes You Back To A Time In Your Life.

    In Twelfth Place with Three Points is Electric Nitwit with Feel The Love by Rudimental 


    I'd like to stress that I didn't hate this: there were just eleven songs in the category that I liked slightly more than it, and EN's reasons for including it, yeah: I get it. But I wasn't absolutely in love with it either, ngl. The song definitely has that noughties feel, with the dub a wubbin' wubbin' and the big colorful synths. I initially found the vocal sample being hammered into your head relentlessly, over and over again, to be a bit annoying and I thought, Jesus, if it stays like this, we might be in trouble here, but the song does have a few tricks up its sleeve. The unexpected trumpet solo is a classy garnish - and my favourite part -  that gives it a dose of personality and it marks that transition into the more contemplative and less brash part of the song and, okay, though that does, eventually, give way to a big push once again to the repetitive climax, I can hear why it worked for a lot of people back in the day and while it doesn't do anything beyond the rudiments for me, it's no harm, no foul.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Eleventh Place with Four Points is Necro with Anyway You Want It by Journey.


    I find Journey to be a pretty cheesy band. I will accept that Don't Stop Believin' does have a genuinely anthemic aspect to it that gives it a transcendent quality, almost despite itself - even though I have no real desire to ever hear it again in my life.

     
    This is fine, I guess. I just find it a bit sanitised and saccharine for my taste. Even though to be fair, the band sounds super tight and there's some pretty decent guitar noodling going on. I'm just not moved or stirred by this one. It's a bit bloodless for rock and roll for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Tenth Place with Five Points is SineadSpears with Wonderwall by Ryan Adams.


    Ah, Ryan Adams, a bit of boyo by all accounts. Having said that, I've enjoyed some of his stuff in the past - he's got so much of it that something is bound to stick - and I have always enjoyed the fact that one of his one time backing bands was called The ****.


    From this point onwards, I probably have more good things to say about the songs than bad, so I'll say in the song's favour, that it does what good cover versions do, in that it puts a different spin on a song: this brings out the starkness and the minor key spareness that was there in the bones of the original, and trades anthemic euphoria for something more forlorn sounding. Though forlorn in a pretty way. 


    Does it absolutely knock my socks off? No. I think it's an interesting idea, but some parts don't work for me: I'm not gone on that slightly falsetto inflection he puts on when he sings of the literal "wall" in Wonderwall - it jars with me each time. And, interesting as it is, it doesn't really radically alter my understanding or feelings of the original track - except for the outro, which slows down that beautiful simple original melody down, lets it breathe and gives it a real grandeur. I do love that part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Ninth Place with Six Points is Nachouser with Babylon by David Gray


    Of all the tunes, this is probably the one I've heard the most over the years. It definitely is evocative of a time and place: the David Gray ubiquity era. Round 'bout '99 & '00, where this tune and that other one were everywhere. I always found him a bit boring to be honest: soporific.


    But this song does have something, undoubtedly. The chorus is fairly undeniable, even, if after all these years it's hard to hear it with fresh ears, but I try to imagine hearing it for the first time: yeah, it's pretty good and it's hard not to feel the sentimentalist pull of the lyrics: regret, letting go, for crying out loud - but I think it suffers a bit as well for being too catch all in its themes, rather than being specific: yeah we can all identify, but does it actually resonate with you?


    I think some of the indietronica touches date it a little and I can't say I've ever been a massive fan of David Gray's singing voice. But, I do think, pound for pound, this is his best and I may or may not have belted this out in a state of intoxication once or twice.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    I don't always like a song that's too slow, but I was very happy & hopeful with life at the time I came across that song. And for that reason it just really means a lot to me.

    I've never even bothered to look up any of his other music, but I put this song every so often to remind myself of me & my big (more like mini) dreams, that didn't exactly go to plan, but it was a nice thought at the time 😉

    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I'm starting to regret my choices ... 😬



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    I forgot most of what I entered - just checked there now & I'm very happy with my songs.

    But I'm not sure anyone else will get one or two of my choices 😁

    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    If it's any consolation I can't remember who entered what!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Sinead, this is the only round that my selection is mainstream.

    I fully expect people scratching their heads with some of my other selections 🙃🤣😂

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I think one of mine might have you all clawing your brains out, nevermind scratching your heads. 😂



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    The nerves!

    So out of what - 14 songs? - we've 12th/11th/10th/9th?

    Aaaargh…us. 😊

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Eighth Place with Seven Points is Leg End Reject with Romeo And Juliet by Dire Straits


    There's plenty of good stuff in this one. The arpeggios and distinct riff are still cool and interesting to listen to. Immaculate production too, clear as day, with nothing overpowering anything else. 


    And the song does have a lot of shifts in mood during the six minutes: starts off a bit sad and broken down, gets defiant and starts swaggering in the middle, and then goes through it all again, before we get a bit of forged in the fire acceptance, before that cool bluesy outro - probably my favourite part. It's a song full of memorable, well played moments.


    And, yet, it kinda leaves me a bit cold overall. The first thing that goes through my head when I hear Mark Knopfler sing is "this sounds like Bob Dylan" and the whole thing just feels like a Bob Dylan pastiche to me - musically more sophisticated than Dylan for sure, but, also lacking that bit of extra depth or poetry that you'd find from Bob and, as good and all as it is in many ways, I find myself feeling a little bit unsatisfied after it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Seventh with Eight Points is Rikand with Flimbo's Quest Loading Screen Music 


    What can I say? - I kinda loved this. It's always interesting - well, maybe not always interesting - to hear how composers have to work it out in terms of making something musically interesting and memorable when they've only got a limited set of raw materials to work with. Usually if a tune gets boiled down to its eight-bit essence you can tell how fundamentally good - or bad -  it is. And I think Flimbo's Quest Loading Screen Music is fundamentally pretty good. 


    It has, as you would expect, a rock solid melody to bury into your brain, but it's the little things: that cool little half paced almost bossa nova shift that comes over it after the main melody finishes, how there's a funky little complimentary bassline at all times and that, even though it didn't need to have it, the song has an absolutely face melting climax, that begins at 1:32 - where it suddenly goes for broke, audio momentarily going into the red. I started bursting out laughing when I heard that part first, as it was just that little touch of ridiculousness that made it - and it's musically satisfying too! 


    So, yeah, like it a lot, might have rated it higher, but I think the remaining tunes are just a bit more multi-faceted, but that's no slight on Flimbo!  
              



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo


    I don't even have to guess where my song will be in the scoring.🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    You might be surprised:

    In Sixth with Nine Points is Deja Boo with My Sweet Lady by John Denver


    This was a song that it took a few listens to really appreciate. At first I thought, okay, pretty nice sounding ballad with nice vocals, but, meh, I don't know - but now, after a few spins I can say that this is a real grower and a classy tune.  


    It comes perilously close to cheese, but it doesn't quite stray into the zone of fromage. It's saved by a few things. Firstly, it's so well produced. The guitars sound warm and wonderful and everything is so crystal clear: the precise clarity of playing, the subtle interaction of the different elements. Everything is nicely layered and all in very tasteful accompaniment with each other(love the descending piano that pans from left to right, gracefully, beginning about 3:52).

       
    Maybe some might say, ah, this is all a bit lame - and yeah, maybe in some ways the song kinda is - but the nakedness and the - when it's called upon - power of John Denver's voice - there's a sense of mad passion being being loosed for a moment when he belts out that one long loooove yooouu in the chorus - gives the song a guilelessness which kind of stops me in my tracks a bit.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Fifth Place with Ten Points is Bogey Lowenstein with Plastic Hearts by Miley Cyrus


    I've been on a journey with this one.

    On first listen, I liked it, in a very loose way - a bit of day-glo darkness, no harm in that. Then, after listen number two, three, or four,  I wondered a bit: maybe it was a shower and not a grower and then sometime after that I went back to rating it again.


    I kind of went off it because for me the song doesn't go anywhere, or didn't appear to initially. It had a lot of cool parts, but there was no emotional or musical crunch point - but then I started to realise that maybe that was actually a strength rather than a weakness.


    The song's about loneliness, emotional emptiness: it's fcking grim. A life of endless late nights and total spiritual dissolution - it's a louche portrayal of someone past the point of caring about anything. So, yeah, wouldn't it be ridiculously inappropriate if it had an absolutely rip-roaring climax: the whole point is that feeling and atmosphere of boredom and, yes, foreboding.   


    It was the guitars in the chorus that pulled me around. The first time we hear the chorus there's these guitar chords that waft around the background, they feel a bit disembodied and ghostly, but they're still solid enough, but then, when we get to the second chorus, they've become even more spectral and ominous and are let ring out, with a bit more menace  - and by the time we've got to the final chorus they're just a bed of pure sonic bad vibes. Subtle changes in the arrangements that convey the repetitive, but ultimately destructive story of the song, without saying a thing. That's really cool.  


    And, so, everything that I kinda disliked about it became something I eventually liked, like it was a meta commentary on what the song was about.  It all sounds a little plastic: perfect, sure, she's living a plastic life! The guitar solo, despite the great tone, sounds a bit cliched: perfect, it's like you're watching a bad movie and you aren't going to be saved!

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Are you a musician, Arghus? I've had to Google a lot of the musical terms you include to explain your rating. I'm more of a I like it/I don't like it rater.

    You've really given this a lot of thought and put a lot of effort into your posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    The closest I've come to being a musician is the odd bit of air guitar!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    I love your notes on this Arghus.

    @Bogey Lowenstein I real like Miley Cyrus music.

    (She's bonkers, but ballsy & I love that she doesn't give two fcuk's what anyone thinks of her)

    Hadn't heard this song before but it's no suprise to me that I like it ☺️

    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,820 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Enjoying this read and listen Arghus and everyone 👍

    Very well written so far .

    And love the songs people have chosen .

    I tried to pick songs for this but for various reasons kept coming back to 2 particular songs for every category so gave up.

    I don't know why but your questions Arghus triggered some long forgotten memories and people and I just had to leave it go 😳 it's not easy picking for these categories .

    So well done all .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭jluv


    @Deja Boo I had never heard that song before but absolutely love it!

    @Arghus the nakedness and power of his voice is a bang on description.

    👏👏👏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo


    It's one of the first songs we learned to play on guitar together, from an old songbook. John Denver was known for lovely chord progressions, was fun to play his melodies (and hear the loml sing… sigh, what sweet kiddo memories). Pretty heady stuff back then, 15 and first loves.

    Thanks Argus, for not discounting the cheesey song :) Loved your perspective, thanks :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Only getting a chance to skim the thread but appreciate the effort, Arghus

    Not too upset about Rudimental not landing, that's what I get for picking something mainstream for a change 🤣



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