Star Trek: Section 31

Eh because that Rubbish Discovery is not Star Trek so whatever happened in it has nothing ho do with the Trek Universe. Simples.

not terrible…its utter shite and a stain on Star Trek…that section 31 looks to be going the same way.

Looks the exact same level of sht.

Also (and I know you can find reasons) why do they have a half black half white person when we know their species are dead. Fukin amateur level memberberries.

And you wouldn't be too far off.

I just Googled "Charon Star Trek" and all the usual clickbait sci-fi sites are talking about it.

Yeah same, I'm not even gonna bother with it unless it appears to be some bizarre diamond in the rough (it's not, the trailer shows it's as soulless and shallow as Discovery et al.)

Exactly, this is coming from the same slurry pit that Discovery came from. In fact, it appears to encompass the very worst parts of the Discovery style. Expect zero character development, zero depth to the writing and story, and zero substance. It's already about a character I strongly dislike, working for an organisation that the writers made an absolute balls of, so it's off to a very poor start in my books.

I used to watch Discovery just hoping beyond hope that it'd improve, and it never really did. I'm gonna save myself the time on this one.

I've come to accept that "my" Star Trek is TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT....and that those days are never, ever coming back. Its a shame, but that's how it feels these days. Is it that the audience isn't there for more cerebral Star Trek anymore? Or is it that the studios choose not to make it any more? Who knows.

Yes SNW is good, but when the bar is set so low, is it truly great? Of course Lower Decks is brilliant too (it's a love letter to Trek, but it'll always be a parody to me and I have a hard time accepting any of those characters truly belong in the uniform as portrayed by TNG Picard etc.) Picard was only saved by industrial strength nostalgia in its final season. Prodigy is another good showing, but the hyperbole around it is a bit eye rolling (the recent one stating that S2 may be the best serialised season in the franchises history....i mean cmon.)

So yeah, any hope I may have held has dwindled now do to what I can only call apathy at best. Section 31, if that's the show to change my mind, I'll eject my own warp core.

Tbf, Discovery is set before the events of TOS so there's some excuse for having Cheron aliens there.

Any solid indication of when S31 is set? I think I read rumors of Rachel Garret being a featured character, placing the show in the “Lost Era” between the TOS Moves and TNG.

I think setting this in the Lost Era is one of the few things the might grab my attention, but even then it’s probably not by enough to get me watching unless I hear later that it was actually a good show.

Garrett is definitely in it as a young officer. Looks like she is assigned reluctantly to Yeoh's wannabe Suicide Squad and will be the "straight guy" to wacky sassy Space Hitler.

I doubt it will be the lost era story any of us ever wanted. I bet if we get a monster maroon it will be a fleeting glimpse of Garrett at the end with some overdone emotional music to make it clear we should be moved.

Wouldn't be surprised if the uniforms got some stupid origin story moment.

Pretty much this too. Although not impossible that they could do a good job, if these are Discovery vintage writers, they’ll likely make a Dog’s Dinner of any Trek era.

There’s also the paradox of the Lost Era being interesting precisely because it hasn’t featured centrally in any Trek production. The Lost Era gets referenced a lot and covers everything from the early careers of most TNG era characters, the Tomod Incident, most of the Occupation of Bajor, the Federation- Cardassisa War and Seven’s assimilation on The Raven.

We get glimpses and flashbacks of this time in Trek, but that’s it. I’m of 2 minds when it comes to the Lost Era. I am very curious about what a Trek show here would be like, but at the same time doing so would forever remove the mystery. Sort of ruining the appeal of it.

I feel that going to the Lost Era should be saved for an exceptionally good story that could make good use of the setting. Alas, I fear that Section 31 is not this.

The lost era would need someone way way more in tune with Star Trek than the Disco, SNW or JJ writers for it to be what fans have hoped for. Would need to be very capable of navigating the lore of Star Trek without getting into accidental parody levels like SNW or JJ.

Would need to be the love child of the Lower Decks team and Andor team.

The Disco team are big Trek fans but very much In the fanfic, books and STO world rather than the main TV/movie stuff and I'm 100% certain S31 is in the lost era because they spent years on the likes of Trekbbs listening to fans like us (core canon) talking about how much we want a lost era show so are now gonna do a ham fisted attempt to try (and fail) to please the core fanbase.

Memory Alpha suggests that the Ambassador started in 2325, 20 years before Garrett dies as Captain of the Enterprise C in the 2340’s

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ambassador_class

So if the show features a younger Garrett, there’s a possibly that it’s during the time of Ambassador usage. The role of Enterprise B & C are usually the fodder or Lost Era Trek novels. In canon we only know about the very start of the Enterprise B and the very end of the Enterprise C. Enterprise C might have been brand new when destroyed, or maybe even one of the original Ambassador Class from the 2320’s and had served for years until her loss. Similarly, we don’t know if Enterprise B was still around until the 2340’s and then replaced by the Ent C.

We just don’t know. Prior to Picard S3, I would have feared them even touching an existing class without fouling it up with redesigns, but I think if they did introduce an Ambassador it might appear in her original design. I get the impression that Discovery writers are of a kind who would skim through the greatest hits of Trek rather than propery watch a show, and since Yesterday’s Enterprise is one of those click-baity “Top 10” entries of most Best-of Trek lists, they’ll likely have watched this episode and are aware of its popularity with fans. It would not surprise me at all if there will be an attempt to mine it for Easter Eggs, since they were already willing to use Garrett.

I wonder how it will do.

Since I don’t have “official” access to this I’d have to use alternative methods to watch it (glances at eye-patch hanging on the monitor), and can’t find myself even considering going to the effort. Sure, it’s only just one 2-part pilot that got hobbled by budget limitations TV Movie, but it’s still more effort than I’m likely to give to watch such a dubious Kurtzman pet-project.

But still, if any Boardsie does watch it, I’d appreciate if they share their perspective.