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16sq or not

  • 10-12-2024 11:25PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭


    Hi all, had my house rewired in 2021, solar pv installed in July this year and a smart meter installed in August this year. The thing I’m concerned about is whether the supply cable here is 16sq or not. The REC who installed the solar said it was and the test record also says it is. Uncomfortable that’s it’s clearly an old looking cable and that it’s also obviously thinner than the two white cables ESBN installed when they put the smart meter in. I understand these are 16sq. ESBN also gave an advisory note saying tails needed to be 16sq. Suppose I’m confused as to whether I need to get another REC in to give me peace of mind that the supply cable is properly sized. The black cable along the bottom is Ethernet for the solar inverter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Looks like you had the same ESB guy as me. He connected my tails in May. If he says the tails need to be upgraded to 16mm^2, then they are probably only 10mm^2. I would ask the RECI you used first, letting him know the ESB flagged the tails as not being 16 and see what he says. If no joy, you will need another RECI to confirm, but maybe someone here will confirm.

    All I can say is my old tails were red and black in grey sheath and they were 10mm^2. The new tails are 25mm^2 armoured and come in brown, blue yellow/green. The earth is 10mm^2

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭Lenar3556


    Hard to be sure from a photo, but they look more like 16mm2 than 10mm2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭JL spark


    did you get a certificate and test record sheet for your rewire ,

    A short cut looks to have been taken ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    got a completion cert but didn’t get the test record for the original rewire. The solar pv installer also provided a cert along with a test record. The test record for the solar installer records the supply cable as 16sq. Was just wondering whether the old style cable could ever be 16sq. It does look narrower than the two white ones which were installed by ESBN with the smart meter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,349 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    Yes I believe the white ones to be 16sq. It’s the red one I’m concerned with. The black cable is an Ethernet cable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    The black is an Ethernet cable. The red looks like it’s been there for years so the guy who did the rewire seems to have done everything up to the fuseboard including a new fuse board but doesn’t seem to have upgraded the tails. Query is whether the red, even though it’s clearly old, is 16sq or not. Feels like he should have upgraded that too while he was at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,349 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    NA

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭JL spark


    biggest issue there is the main earth in looks smaller than 10sq , that should be 16sq



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    NA

    Post edited by redscan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭meercat


    it’s hard to tell from your photos but it’s very rare to come across red and black 16mm mains cables

    I’d say they are 10mm and your main earth is smaller,possibly only 6mm( JL spark already pointed that out)


    your rec definitely took some short cuts by not replacing them anyway,even if they were the correct size



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    Thanks yeah fairly annoyed that all this wasn’t just done when the original rewire was done. Just assumed it would be but obviously not.

    On the earth, the cable coming directly from the block (picture above) is a lot thicker than the one you see coming out of the fuse with the blue cable tie on it (original photo).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭JL spark


    any more pictures from the fuseboard?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭Lenar3556


    Even if the tails are 10mm2, the length is only 300mm or so. It doesn’t give rise to any practical issue on a 12KVA supply.

    10mm2 directly clipped is good for 60A, and indeed this is likely the same cable size used within the consumer unit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭JL spark


    Another thing is ,

    If your mains is only 10sq , your solar spark should not have connected his solar system to your board ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    Yes that’s what got me looking at it. The test record has 16sq recorded on it but I have my doubts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    NA

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    Thanks yeah I understand it might have been sufficient at time of rewire and before we got solar installed. I suppose my concern is the requirement that it be 16sq once the solar went in. Based on the helpful posts here I have my doubts that it is actually 16sq (despite what the test record says)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    NA

    Post edited by redscan on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭meercat


    Esbn engineer is most likely to be right about cable sizes


    Irrespective,if a rewire was done then he should have upgraded the mains as part of this


    there doesn’t appear to be any surge protection on your distribution board (regulation at the time)


    also,is your distribution board in a press?


    too should get the original rec back to do this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭redscan


    thanks for your help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭JL spark


    more bad news for you , your lighting circuits should be on a dedicated RCBOs ,

    Not on a main RCD ,

    Bit of a **** show , I’m afraid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Would it be a reg requirement to upgrade to 16sq for a rewire if no significant changes being made? It's the solar install which seems to be the main issue, tested for 16sq yet a month later grid side tails get upgraded to 16sq during meter replacement.

    Something doesn't add up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭meercat


    for a rewire 16mm is a requirement

    Brown and blue are also a requirement for a rewire (you shouldn’t leave red/black otherwise it’s not a total rewire)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Was that a requirement at the time (2021)? I understand there was an update to the regs around the same time so I'm inclined to give the original rec a break. Did the colour change apply to the tails?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭meercat


    the engineer also recommended moving the esbn cutout as part of it is inside the new distribution board. The rec that did this really shouldn’t have. I do see a 10mm earth connected into the earth/neutral link though so the smaller earth cable outside was the original earth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭meercat


    the red/black tails don’t meet IS10101 requirements (they’re not LSF)

    There’s no surge protection

    He cut the side of your new distribution board so the esbn cutout could fit inside it

    All 3 are breaches of regulations.I wouldn’t give him any break



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    10s was mostly red/black , I think there was a 16sq twin red black

    Your head would be wrecked back then with all the changes around the time RECI was setup

    Retrograde step as already pointed out if the Rec shoved the lighting onto shared rcds



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,349 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    This guy should be reported, else it makes a mockery of the mantra here : " get a reci "

    There are a long list of posters here who trot out this mantra and this is what you might get.

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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