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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It is worth pointing out that Al Azhar University, the leading centre of Sunni learning since the 8th Century said that the Islamic state could not be accused of heresy

    The Islamic state always based its actions on mohanmed and the righteous generations and they alway picked the more violent examples, no shortage there, so they were too close to Mohameds example and life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, when ISIS was picking its murderous way through Iraq and Syria, using every savagery possible, they were often criticised by not only non-muslims, but by moderate Muslims as well. And all ISIS had to do was open the appropriate page of the Quran, and show where what they were doing was followig the Quran word for word..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    In fairness Bashar al-Assad is a qualified eye doctor, not a qualified military combatant. Leo Varadkar is a doctor too. If Ireland falls, I'd assume his allies would ship him out of dodge just as fast.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,290 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I'm sure that a lot of Syrians won't want to go home and be ruled by a bunch of interfering misogynistic a-holes who demand complete control over all aspects of their everyday lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Juran


    I really hope the west, IMF, World bank, EU, UN, etc dont give a penny aid or loans to the new Syrian regime if this how they to rule.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,129 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Don't know if this has been posted yet but here is just some of the collection of vehicles that Assad and his ilk had while the rest of his country was struggling and even starving,he was living like a King. Disgusting and horrible.

    I hope the new Government sell them to get funds to run their new country with but from the quick read above it does not all look as nice as theh had said it would be it seems conservative and backwards.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They will have the UN on quick enough, investment from the Gulf states, they seem very big into investment and business.

    Their leader wants to be a modern economy with strict Islamic sensibilities, a less fun Arabia.

    It is their best bet and if it was half successful could drive a wave of jihadi state takeovers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    well obviously they couldn't have but that's not the point to be fair.
    i was responding to danzy's claim that israel are holding back the dam of savagery which in general is not the case as they are as much a part of it as the gihadis including the gihadis they fund when it suits.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,385 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It seems like this kind of thing never ends once you get into the retribution mindset and mob justice isn't known for being fair and considered. Once the jailers are dealt with, the crosshairs will probably settle on the general Alawite community and then the Kurds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Sad seeing what's happening in Syria, even at these early stages. ISIS flags being flown everywhere, Kurds under constant attack, on the spot killings and now hardline Islamists being appointed to government posts. The fact that the US Secretary of State has come out and cast doubt on HTS protecting minorities in Syria says it all.

    An awful lot of people who praised HTS and its leader as moderates have set themselves up for egg on their faces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,385 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There are too many international players with an interest in Syria, backing armies in the territory, for there to be anything like peace and stability in the near term.

    As bad as Assad was, and he was indeed very bad, if the history of Syria gets bloodier after his removal, then it can't be seen as a cause for celebration, but instead the opening of another chapter in the civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd say thats the plan, same as how the Taliban are treated in Afghanisan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Just one question for you….(one I've already mentioned before, but anyway..) With all the destruction Israel is raining on Palestinians, why are none of their Islamic neighbours not taking them in as refugees?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    I think the glee and celebrations of Assads downfall will be short lived, while he was a monster and deserved to be ran out of there I think Syria is sleep walking into another nightmare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭engineerws


    The Israeli's seemed to bomb Damascus as a hobby before HTS took over. I wonder if sanctions were lifted and diplomacy tried would that have been a better approach.

    There seems to have been a lot of foreign actors arming and financing maniacs in Syria. How much blame do they share for the Assad regime. Hopefully things will get better in Syria not worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It was not then or even now that the Taliban have the full support of the Taliban. They had then and now a patchwork quilt of different clans and ethnic groupings,all with their own areas and leaderships. Normally, when big decisions are needed, they call a Loya Jirga, and representatives of all the clans etc meet and decide on a course of action, but this takes weeks and weeks to organse. Time they did not have. And when the US withdrew, that was it, they simply could not coordinate themselves quickly enough to resist the Taliban. But that's not to say that they accept the Taliban as their rightful government. The majority certainly do not! The sheer N's that tried to leave with the US, not to mention the thousands who crossed into Pakistan, and other countries is proof of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,270 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Because they know if they take them in, Israel will just move in to their land while they're not there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, he was an eye surgeon, and never meant to become President, his brother was the designated candidate for that job, but he died in an accident, so Bashir was brought back home. His brother is the military man in the family, but Assad had more than enough military and other advisors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Wrong. The last time there was a crisis that triggered a mass movement of Palestinian reugees into Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon, in each case they tried to overthrow the existing Government's. Jordan fought a war with them, and in Egypt, the encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood to overthow the government as well Lebanon we have all seen what happened there. (Google Palestian issues with host country's.) I worked with Palestinian refugees is Syria, and they, their children and their children's children have a special passport, but not a Syrian one, despite being born in Syria, which severely limits their ability to travel anywhere. They are told that they cannot have a Syrian passport, because that would mean that they would never be able to return to their homeland, even when it was "free".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Do you have a pic of one of those ISIS flags, Francie?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,430 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I've seen a few reports from Clarissa Ward on CNN over the past few days.

    CNN witnesses moment Syrian prisoner is freed from Assad’s forced detention

    This hits home. The poor man, but equally lucky man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I saw that. Incredibly moving.

    What will happen now? It feels like a piranha attack is brewing on the Syrians (apparently they are not as bad as their reputation)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Will the Syrians celebrating on Irish streets on RTE be going back to Syria?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,283 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    If I was celebrating like they were then yes I would.

    If they've no interest then stop celebrating and start integrating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I am not downplaying it at all. You can be against two things at the same time. If anything it's a right winger like you who downplay brutality depending on who is behind it. As i said previously both Assad and Bibi should be in the dock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I didn't say they enjoyed full support of the people.

    What i said was the Taliban would not have been able to maintain an insurgency for 20 odd years and then been able to eventually take over again if they didn't have a significant amount of supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,270 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's not "wrong" at all.

    Everyone knows that if Israel had their way they'd happily occupy the entirety of the Gaza strip and the west bank.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭yagan


    Because that mean they allow Israel to keep what they stole. Egypt was the only country in the region with a UN vote at the time of Israel's creation, the Palestinians didn't have a say but somehow Ecuador did.

    The whole UN vote was a farce so at the best the two state solution is an attempt to remedy it. To accept that vote would be a betrayal of Palestinians.

    Edit to add there are displaced communities of Palestinians in the countries surrounded what was Palestine, and most importantly few ever ask why there's refugee camps in Gaza and the West Bank.



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