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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed I agree to an extent, but not so much with the choice part. The average Syrian still doesn't have much choice as of yet. They are caught between a guy with a gun and another guy with a gun. For the moment it's more cautious optimism, but what comes next is unknown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Agreed. But apparently, the Jews are at fault for all the ills of the Middle East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    A fair few lies in this post but let's correct a few

    • The Arabs never engaged with the process. They boycotted it. So to say that they were not part of the negotiations is a lie. They removed THEMSELVES from the negotiations as they were never going to accept a Jewish state.
    • On the land. Yes, technically true, but a large part of the Jewish state was made up of the Negev desert, which is largely uninhabitable. Even today, it accounts for 55% of Israel but only 8% of the population. Most of the habitable land that one can farm went to the Palestinians. So the "they got more land" claims are very hollow. The Arabs got the better land.
    • Both sides engaged in acts of terrorism. A civil war between Jews and Arabs was underway.
    • Goals of this 'greater Israel' is a conspiracy theory
    • Unfairness is an opinion.
    • Its a fact that the UN and international community ratified Resolution 181 II.
    • When the Arabs invaded, they broke International Law. Do you support this invasion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Yes. They are flattening north Syrian kurdish cities and going as far as murdering even wounded people in hospitals. As of today there is estimation of destruction of property (homes) of about 30k kurdish families.

    https://www.syriahr.com/en/351099/?doing_wp_cron=1733924265.5747559070587158203125



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Revenge killing is one thing. Murdering civilians and cleaning whole villages of ethnic minorities is completely different stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Plus their natural alignment with Turks. Turkey with Qatar financed, trained and assembled whole outfit. Even now most of HTS is comprised from foreigners some of whom probably could not find Syria on a map before they enlisted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,421 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The Arabs boycotted the negotiations on the very reasonable grounds that foreigners were signing over their land to European colonists, in violation of the UN's own charter no less. Land was taken from the people who were living there and given to Zionists. The fundamental reality of Israel is that it is a product of theft. If Muslim extremists flooded into Luxembourg, brutally drove the natives out of their homes and declared a homeland, you can be damn sure they would be attacked post haste by their neighbors. Condemning Arab countries for doing what Europeans would and did do, is exactly the sort of racist, colonial attitude that saw the UN decide that they could give away the Arab's lands to the Zionists.

    Both sides clashed in the civil war, but the Zionists conducted a focused, and much more brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing, that continued during the war with the Arab states and ever since. It's all there in your own link. To say the goal of a Greater Israel is a conspiracy is laughable, when you have cabinet members openly stating it nowadays . They're already giving tours of the Gaza for prospective settlers. It has always been the goal.

    Post edited by AbusesToilets on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Warmonitor, a prominent hezbollah tweeter was saying that Syrian as an identity will destroyed as the Jihadis only think in terms of the global islamic community and caliphate and that jihadis might flood in once more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,064 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Why would Turkey \ Qatar back such an agenda? They seem to be supporting the main rebel faction, what's the advantage to them over Assad in Syria?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    That hasn't happened yet. Under Assad it did. Many towns were completely emptied near Aleppo as Iranian backed militia took up positions over the last few years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no, it really, really isn't.

    what did israel do to stop the terrorist attacks in europe? nothing.

    what did israel do to stop 9 11? nothing.

    israel funded isis among many other gihadi groups, so they are happy to allow the dam of savagery to open when it suits them, at the expense of everyone else.

    not to mention the dam of savagery that they unleash on others themselves.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah nobody in the middle east is truly the friend of Europeans. People picking sides here is just sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Israelis have often supplied info on planned jihadi attacks and prevented them in Europe.

    The israelis aren't without their problem but they are immeasurably better than those against them.

    Sometimes good enough is enough when the others are bad as it gets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    in the case of israel yes as they were engaging in genocide, the arab nations had no option but to engage in a peace keeping mission.
    had they not engaged in genocide and accepted the arab populations like a grown up state the arab nations would have not have had to engage in the peace keeping mission.
    there is no comparison to ukrain, putin is an aggresser who invaded a state who was doing nothing to nobody.
    israel continuously steals land and commits genocide and the arab nations needed to try and stop it on multiple occasions.

    all of the issues faced by israel are of it's own doing because it's a spoiled, greedy, racist, apartheid, genocidal, expansionist state.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    while ignoring the information on the october 7th attack that they were provided with by both egypt and their own apparently world class intelegence service.
    the israelies certainly aren't better in any way then those who are against them, they are just another cheek of the same backside.

    at a governmental and military level israel are not our friends.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Didn't you post this 'piece keeping' nonsense in the other thread? Amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    The most infamous case was of 13-year old Hamza El-Khatib. When his body was handed over over to his family, it showed the traces of cigarette burns and other signs of torture and mutilation, including emasculation, as well as the bullet wounds that finally killed him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Monsters does not even come close to describing Assads thugs..there's no words to describe them. Outside of Tartous / Latakia, you could nearly feel the terror…it comes as no surprise to me how easily the rebels swept through Syria. Imagine you are a father of one of those Deraa kids, and now you meet some of those police men who mutilated and killed your son…A few posts back, there was a video showing one of Assads men being dragged behind a car through a crowd who were whipping him with their belts. I posted that this was a bad start to the new Syria, they should jail all Assads goons, try them, and sentence the guilty ones. Fact is, I doubt very much if I would be able to follow my own advice in similar circumstances. I remember meeting people from Deraa ( and other places, too. They all had horror stories)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Normally that would apply in any civilised country IE: elections with the majority winning the vote. But I can't see that happening in Syria in the near future anyway,,what will probably happen is that a strongman will emerge, and he will rule for a while anyway, at least until the "glue" (Assad) that was holding them together dissolves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,290 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The biggest joke in this article is this:

    "Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Wednesday that Russian facilities and assets in Syria were protected by conventions of international law."

    It seems that Russia expects others to comply with international law, but ignores international law itself. I think that some of the expendable Russians won't make it home.

    How Putin’s intelligence agents convinced Assad to flee Syria


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    How could Isreael have prevented Sept 11th? All of the US security services failed to prevent it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And so it begins…….

    New Justice Minister in Syria, Shadi Alwaisi, informed there will be no women as judges and the courts will be lead only by men.Female judges have to give up their cases to male judges.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭castor 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    The courts are going to be led by the koran anyways so it makes no difference what biological entity is the ultimate arbiter. These death cult maniacs wouldn't give a $hit if a monkey led the court, as long as it was 100% in agreement with their abrahamic death cult scribblings.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Al Jolani today in an interview

    AlJolani: Moral police is to implement sharia.We invite people to follow sharia rather than using the power, but if you resist our invitation, you will be faced with violence“power“! He sees Hijab for women as part of invitation for women who still don’t wear it!

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not so! There are different versions of Islam, and each follows their own version or intrepration. You have the Wahabi Sunni sect, which holds sway in Saudia Arabia, and is pretty strict, to the extent that the Wahhabi's consider their version of Islam as being the one true interpretation, any other sects or versions are not considered "real" Muslims. Then you have the Shia's (Assad was an Alawite, a branch of Shia Islam) with their intrepretation of the Quran, which is not quite as drastic as the Sunni version. The Taleban follow and exceptionally strict form of Islam, but bottom of the pile is ISiS, their version is so extreme that many Muslims disown them as being Muslims. I've heard more than one Muslim say that no matter what ISIS call themselves,or claim to represent, its not Islam. So take your pick,Saudi Islam, get your hands chopped off, Sunni Islam in Kosovo, come for a beer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    lol in a couple of months Bashar al-Assad is literally going to look like Disney's 'Peter ala Pan' compared to what's incoming

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin convinced Assad to leave Syria, yet couldn't extract his own forces in a timely planned fashion?



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