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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,185 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well since we're doing hindsight, the real pity is that Muhammad didn't lose some of his early wars, and would have had to stay in Madina as just another minor prophet. If the Middle East were still peopled with Zoroastrians, Christians, Buddhists, Jews and the like, I think it would be a very different and far more peaceful place.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it's only the reality at the moment because america is paying the bills so israel can do what it wants as america will do nothing.

    but younger americans have had enough, and they will be the politicians of the future.

    israel's crap won't be tolerated indefinitely, especially as more and more of the publics of the western backers are saying enough is enough.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no

    they wouldn't because the IDF operations are a genocide and israel has stated that this is the case.

    the bombing of germany was about stopping nazi expansionism and said threat to the likes of the british empire

    but they were not to eliminate the german people.

    the death stats from the health ministry are only those known and proven

    the death stats will be multiples of what has been stated.

    israel is engaging in genocide in palestine

    this is a proven fact.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no they will just slaughter, rape and exterminate instead insuring that the same is more likely to happen to them.
    whereas if they were a grown up state then not only would the actual gihadis not succeed, but such threats to them would be a billion times less.
    if they place such a value on their country and themselves they wouldn't be the rogue state they are.
    have you passed your evidence of these pro-gihadis out marching on saturdays to the gards? i'm sure they would be interested in such a serious situation.
    in reality, there are no pro-gihadis, or so very few of them that they are irrelevant, simply people who see israel and its BS for what it is.

    it's over, you have lost the room ages ago, people are not buying the narative from israel any longer and it's brilliant to see.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,421 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Christians and Jews being renowned for never engaging in warfare or slaughter of course.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I couldn't care less about winning the room.

    I'm pleased with the results and victories for Israel.

    Israel Is the dam holding back the savagery from overwhelming us all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ĥ

    The faith he created does standout for its obsession with killing and fighting and the eternal commands for those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    the arab invasion of 1948 was in response to the genocide and forced expulsions that were taking place.

    You mean UN Resolution 181 II, was an act of 'Genocide' is it now?

    Tell us more about this genocide that was taking place in the Levant in 1948, this should be enlightening.

    it was a piece keeping and protection operation.

    ROFL.

    I have read some crazy stuff over the past while but this must be up there.

    The 1948 invasion of Israel by a Pan-Arab force is now viewed as a 'peacekeeping' operation.

    So the invasion of a sovereign country, that breaks international law, is in your view a peacekeeping operation?

    Do you know who else made the claim that an invasion was a peacekeeping operation?

    Putin in 2022. That is the hymn you are singing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    "israel's survival is not and never was under threat from the islamic world."

    We have 80 years of history of the region that directly and utterly contradicts this sentence.

    Utterly wrong, Utterly mistaken, Utterly ahistorical

    You have to question the motives of some posters in utterly such false rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You mean the UN declared a Jewish State (and Arab state), under international law, where a pan-Arab army invaded soon after because they would never compromise any land to 'Jews'?

    Facts, eh?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    By the nature of International Law, it was and is solely on the side of the Israelis in 1948. Do you not care about International Law?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Ok, time will tell! Obviously, you are if not anti-Israel, you're not a fan either, and that's fine, we all have our opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Maybe they are in retreat, or maybe not,,,but theres one constant regardless, if Israel is threatened or what is even perceived as a threar, they will respond to that threat, real or not. And there will not be any kind of retreat,as we are currently seeing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I clicked on this thread hoping to learn about Syria. Instead all I get is Israel Israel, Israel. I thought that there was an "Istael is going to start WW3" thread. Apparently that is not enough for some people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,283 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Has Turkey made any offensive moves against the Kurds in Syria yet?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,421 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think Christianity probably has them beat. It's only in the last half century that you could say things have cooled off between Catholics and Protestants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,421 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    So generous of the British and the UN to hand over the Arab's land to European Jewish colonialists. If you actually bothered to read the details of the plan in the link you posted, you would see how fundamentally biased and unfair it was. The Zionists were allocated a majority of the land, despite being a minority of the population. Arabs were not a part of the negotiations of the plan, rightly protesting that it violated the UN's charter on the rights of self determination. The Zionists engaged in a sweeping campaign of violence following the British announcement of their withdrawal. It's no secret what happened, nor their intent. It's always been a goal of erasure of the Arab population and a creation of a greater Israeli state.

    Post edited by AbusesToilets on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yeah they are bombing in the North. It's a real mess up there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The usual ignorance and hate shared to attract more like minds.

    Good thing Israel's taking out the munitions dumps in Syria. Otherwise they can make their way to RuZZia.

    Post edited by Igotadose on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Chemical attack survivors finally get a chance to speak.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4xyd1yx0go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I repeatedly condemned what IDF have done and stated that their approach to Islamic terrorism is stupid

    Not sure why you need to invent fictional narrative

    Tho I guess when one falls head first down conspiracy theory rabbit hole it’s hard to separate facts from fiction and participate in civilised debate

    Syria has made mockery of a lot of the narratives on the Far Left about this region



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I dunno about everyone they feel like but they definitely gave a good going over to some of the most sadistic animals from the Assad regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There surely are a lot of people who deserved it being put up against the wall but there sounds like a lot of people being shot because the village they are in is kurdish or Christian etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    No that's not what I am saying. I have no problem with Syrians being here if that is what you are getting at with your remark about the dog. I am not as trusting as you are when it comes to an al-qaeda offshoot gaining control of a country. It would seem Syrians in exile interviewed by the BBC aren't either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Nusra front, was the most popular and successful group because it had a lot of support in the population centres north of Damscus, it was that religious fervour that made them popular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed they are relatively popular but just to repeat the point that Syria was and is quite secular, look at the pictures from Damascus - it's not Afghanistan or NW Pakistan

    Millions have left and obviously a decade of all out conflict leaves a mark. The religious fervour isn't popular on scale as such, people in desperate situations often don't have a choice but to side with "the enemy of my enemy".

    At the moment for example, people in Homs, Hama and Damascus are delighted Assad is gone, but don't confuse that with genuine support for e.g. HTS. A large amount of Syrians wanted democracy in 2011, we know this for a fact, they spilt blood over it. They weren't out there dying for a caliphate (those Islamists flooded in later).

    Of course HTS could turn out to be the greater evil. Assad was gassing and torturing his own people on an industrial scale, so they have some way to go, but as always we can't put it past them. There are some "good" signs for now, but few people really trust them.

    Syrians (again) don't a choice, and like everyone else , they are waiting to see how this plays out. It's never a question of how good it will be, rather of how bad it will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Israeli Foreign minister today warned that the Kurds are not to be attacked.

    This stems from 3 positions.

    1. Defensive of a small community against large neighbouring aggressors.

    2. The kurds, like the Jews are the indigenous inhabitants prior to Arab and Ottoman imperialism.

    3. Kurdisatan would be an ally in a highly hostile and regressive region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Well, yes they wouldn't have been able to become the dominant force without a broad support base. It was the same with the Taliban retaking Afghanistan, it wouldn't have happened if they did not have the support of a fair portion of Afghan society. It's no coincidence the Taliban were quick to praise HTS. If we look at how HTS dealt with dissenters in Idlib, it won't be long before the torture sites start to fill up again. Anyone who thinks Syria under HTS is going to become a beacon of democracy in the Middle East is in for a rude awakening. There will be factional infighting within a year. Secular minded Syrians with means will be fleeing. I also note Syrians interviewed by the BBC are not chomping at the bit to go back to Syria



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    These barbarians need a strong man to “keep a lid” on them

    Is that what you are trying to say?

    What you described has happened in Palestine and Lebanon btw, Islamist sects fighting each other and flinging rockets at neighbours, I would have thought that same outcome in Syria would make you happy no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    No it isn't

    How did you get that out of what I said? I don't condone the actions of Assad. I don't support war crimes regardless of the justifications used by apologists for the countries involved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    yourself and the other far left whingers are trying hard to downplay the evil that Assad has done

    The locals in Syria got what they wanted, freedom from brutal dictatorship

    It’s up to them now to chose whether they become a modern democracy (alien concept on the region) or yet another basketcase theocracy trying to drag the population back to the 7th century



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