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BEWARE...DK Windows and Doors (Dublin based) has closed down!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭CPTM


    I'm not talking about bailing out the banks. I'm talking about how, during the liquidation process, banks will be covered first before customer deposits. It was mentioned earlier in the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭woejus


    Preferential creditors have been a thing for a long time. How would a business raise finance if a bank was subordinate to unsecured creditors? Sucks for the customers, agreed.

    DK is likely going to lose limited liability protection. Regardless of "investor" rumours he was overtrading at the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,448 ✭✭✭fletch


    Has anyone pulled their accounts? Very interested to see where all the money has gone

    https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Dk-Windows-And-Doors-Limited-520939



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭woejus


    here you are

    15 / Jul / 2024 Judgment registered for € 2,125.00 (Costs: € 258.00) -- Plaintiff: South Dublin County Council, R/O: County Hall, Tallaght, Dublin 24

    Seems like they couldn't pay the rates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 IsThatSeatTaken


    The carry on of this company would make some of the crypto scams look legit. Awful what they've done. Also how useless can a home renovation business be to lose money in this economy.



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    For those seeking the moral justice, accounts show "- Personal guarantee from Mr. Darragh Kane €147,000." so at least he will be on the hook for that.

    Looking at the accounts, it really does look like a badly mismanaged business, losses of €250k in 2022, and directors (husband and wife) "only" drew a salary of €140k at a time when construction is booming both new builds and upgrades. Looks like 2022 benefited from €136k grants (probably covid) so that kept the business alive in 2022 . Only thing I can think of is maybe committing to a large contract which was loss making, because selling windows to residential customers is hugely profitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭JVince


    Taxman is priority creditor. They are owed a lot.

    Highly unlikely anyone else will see a cent.

    Banks are rarely a secured creditor. They will have a personal guarantee and will go after that.

    Staff are a preferential creditor for wages and holiday pay.

    Looking at the accounts, things went downhill very quickly in the last 2 years. In reality he should have shut up shop about 2 years ago. Probably chasing his tail the last 12 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Looks to me like the revenue put the pressure on to collect warehoused debt from Covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    You'd want to be careful, I got demolished by a waffle-merchant for suggesting similar earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭cj2007


    Crazy stuff that they can get away with this

    Post edited by cj2007 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Jaysus, I'm in the market for upgrading half my house to double-glazing…. these threads are making me awfully nervous….. how on earth do you avoid falling victim to this kind of thing??

    There's posters in here who did all their research, and still got caught (or by the luck of who knows what just got out before they went belly-up).

    If anyone has any recommendations for a crowd who would supply and fit wooden double-glazed sash windows, please PM me with details….



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Pay by credit card would be first thing HeidiHeidi seems you might have a chance with chargeback then. I can see this affecting a lot of decent companies as people won't want to pay deposits and who an blame them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Oh yes, note made of that, I'll be dusting off the CC which I haven't used in literally years!



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Know it might be too large an amount but I've found paypal great for chargebacks when I'd issues (again small amounts!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭emo72


    Lads my window guy was brilliant and didn't ask for much up front. PM if you want his number, I'm not shilling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    There are window installers which only take a deposit of 15% on order creation and the balance after installation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭purplefields


    Not much comfort to the people who will lose out, but Revenue will get all the money. No doubt they'll also get their 'interest' and 'penalties'.

    In cases such as this, Ruthless Revenue should really give the consumer a break. Wishful thinking I guess.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Best of luck! DK are actually the company I landed on after doing my due diligence, even had friends recommend them to me who had an installation completed six months prior to us.

    After this happening to so many people I wouldn't trust any of them unless I knew them personally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭letsbefair


    The Government should legislate that all deposits are insured or held in an escrow account until the goods are delivered to stop these cowboys who know they are going under from trading and robbing innocent customers. They make sure they get their tax!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,447 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Don’t know why these middlemen sellers won’t use escrow type companies to hold and manage deposits. That way, if they went to the wall they could at least do it honourably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,046 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Because that would be the morally way of doing business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭JVince


    They collected taxes and prsi from staff and customers. Revenue have to be priority as it was collected a long time ago.

    My guess is they are owed well over 600k and might be lucky to get a quarter of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭Allinall


    The deposits are used to buy materials and pay wages to manufacture the windows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭SteM


    But they don't actually manufacture them do they? I thought that was all outsourced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭mr j tayto


    This type of trading has been allowed to happen in Ireland for many many years unfortunately.

    My late mother was caught with a payment on a garden shed over 40 years ago by a baxtard trading from Cornelscourt. Conman took the money off her on Weds and went bang on the Fri. She had only recently been widowed at the time and it crippled her financially.

    I remember going to the creditors meeting at the time, it was just a joke, all the money was gone and the cnut just laughing at everybody there. Way past time to jail corrupt thieves who steal people's money this way. One thing to go out of business through no fault of your own, but stealing is stealing no matter what way it's looked at from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,310 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    One of the callers to Liveline said that they'd paid some huge sum to DK, never got any windows, managed to get in touch with the manufacturer who said they'd been waiting on a deposit from DK before they got going on the order - needless to say it never came so no windows for that customer.

    So if the manufacturers had to be paid before starting their end of things, you can see why they wanted money up front - but you'd have hoped they'd pass it over!



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    The companies outsourced to have to be paid a deposit before they will process the order/start to manufacture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭SteM


    So the deposit goes to another company, not to directly pay for materials as outlined.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭roddney


    At a guess 50% is the manufacturers cost, 25% labour, 25% profit. The manufacturers appear to be payment of front.


    Very few window companies are actually manufacturers, they’re sales and installation. The higher end stuff appears to be manufactured abroad.


    This really needs to be regulated given to large sums of money involved and the potential loss to consumers.


    Like lots of businesses now, I’d say dk warehoused all their revenue payments during Covid; income tax and prsi, and it’s caught up on them



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