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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • #542
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 920 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    As bad as the healthcare system might be in the US it all comes down to the lack of universal access. No one can really expect a business to fill the void left by a lack of a free healthcare system, it's ultimately going to prioritize profit over people.

    Post edited by nolivesmatter on


  • #543
    Greyfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122943414#Comment_122943414

    In this case though, the company was ripping off the common man.



  • #544
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122943631#Comment_122943631

    Thompson was under investigation?

    It does sound like a film or book premise



  • #545
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,982 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122943392#Comment_122943392

    Oh sorry, I didn't know we are supposed to quantify what murder is popular and what murder is unpopular and give people a pass based on it.



  • #546
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,982 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122943522#Comment_122943522

    You make some relevant points.

    No, the insurance industry here is not as unscrupulous as the US, it is a different system.

    But people are certainly suffering and dying because of the mismanagement of Irish Health care, and a lot of that has to fall on the management of certain hospitals (looking at you UL) and the cluster **** that is the HSE.

    The HSE spends approx €140 million a year on legal fees in order to protect itself from claims. Over the past 5-6 years it has paid out over €2 billion in claims.

    Some of the stories are appalling. This is one of the latest ones.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41532074.html

    You see and hear of cases like this on an almost weekly basis, where some nurses or doctors mess up, and the HSE legal team are drafted in to fight its case, and put the family under more and more pressure to just give up and go away.

    The Vicky Phelan case being a prime example of this.

    So going back to the murder of the UHC CEO, if he deserved the bullet, then why do then give a pass to the upper echelons of the HSE who carry out similar inhuman treatment to patients and family members? Is the only difference really that they are Irish? Are we applying an American way of doing things to the US, but in Ireland, we just shrug our shoulders?

    Square that circle for me.



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  • #547
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,907 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122943631#Comment_122943631

    You would then hire an actual hitman to take out the patsy - make it look self inflicted.



  • #548
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,679 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I don't disagree that the HSE has many failings and there's the usual culture we see in the Irish public service of covering one's arse being more important than doing one's job well. However, for me, it comes down to the old adage: "Never attribute to malice that which can be put down to incompetence".

    HES managers aren't doing harm out of an evil desire to put their own enrichment ahead of patient lives, they're making mistakes (as all humans do) and therein lies the difference imho. It's akin to the difference between manslaughter and mass-murder.

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  • #549
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,291 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122942514#Comment_122942514

    Only if his motivation is genuinely irreprochable. Anything less is well dodgy and there'd be a negative effect in the media any time the question came up.

    It's already risky for politicians to go up against the Big Pharma lobbies in favour of the electorate (because the electorate don't even want to reward them for doing so anyway, and Big Pharma, unlike the electorate, know where their interests lie!).

    So since any attempt to achieve meaningful change will now forever be associated with this murder, if this Luigi Mangione turns out to be not whiter than white, on top of all that, it will all become even more toxic for any politician to try to change things.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #550
    NiceFella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122943829#Comment_122943829

    That's what you've been arguing about since the start of thread. Keep up mate



  • #551
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122943861#Comment_122943861

    So you are saying the hse should never defend any claims is it?

    The hse isnt making money out of this

    They aren't paid more the more they screw people

    Square that..



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  • #552
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Good programme on RTE One about the death of Savita in a hospital in Galway. Not one member of staff was sanctioned or disciplined over it.



  • #553
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944078#Comment_122944078

    Are you really comparing this to a health company deliberately withholding care from suck and dying patients, a new low really

    Some Hospital staff do a job that deals with life and death and sometimes the result is death

    What do you do on a day to day basis, scatch your balls?



  • #554
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944094#Comment_122944094

    America has it's system. It's not for me to comment on. It's up to them to change it.

    I just don't want to see this hysteria about an American vigilante murderer entering our culture here.



  • #555
    yagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭yagan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944078#Comment_122944078

    Some were afford of being prosecuted by the state because of the abortion legislation at the time.

    It's a reason why that case gave momentum to the repeal debate.



  • #556
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944109#Comment_122944109

    What are people going to use, hurleys?

    What you said was distasteful in the extreme



  • #557
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944114#Comment_122944114

    And you're the Pope?



  • #558
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944115#Comment_122944115

    Make some sense



  • #559
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944109#Comment_122944109

    I dont see hysteria here. I think some people are taking the online reaction too seriously. The only poster talking about taking frustration out on anyone here is someone straw-manning.

    You may not want to comment on the American system but the online reaction is based on how bad that system is treating its customers over there. Its a discussion forum so I think its fine for anyone to comment on anything.



  • #560
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,291 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122943101#Comment_122943101

    Right - and look at what even Democrat supporters think about Bernie Sanders.

    Americans have the healthcare system they want.

    It's just that they actually wanted that "face-eating leopard party" healthcare system for everybody else, and really don't like it when leopard starts eating their faces too.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #561
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,982 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944109#Comment_122944109

    You know the irony?

    The same people calling the CEO scum are the very same ones who would have been big Biden and Kamala supporters.

    Biden and Co. are one of the main reasons healthcare is what it is in the US.



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  • #562
    Irish Aris
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod warning:

    @markodaly

    You have made the same point about HSE's management a few times now. Everyone got it.

    Time to move on. Any further persistence on this point will be considered ignoring a mod instruction and will earn you a warning/ban.

    Thank you.



  • #563
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,041 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944682#Comment_122944682

    Facts pulled from the air. The hatred of what Brian Thompson represents, is bipartisan, and the healthcare mess in the US didn't just start in 2020, or 2000, or 1990 or….



  • #564
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,310 ✭✭✭plodder


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944421#Comment_122944421

    One thing you don't hear about often is the Medicare system for older people. The impression I get is that it's pretty good. Especially when you consider that most healthcare resources are directed at the elderly and how disastrously bad the equivalent is in our system, with trolleys and ED war zones.

    It's almost like we tolerate a terrible system for treating older people here because everyone has to endure it. For the most part, the private sector hasn't gotten into that end of it.

    I saw a post on Twitter just there as well comparing Thompson, a guy who came from a humble background, with the rich kid who assassinated him. The narrative isn't quite turning out the way some people expected, ie a sad story about someone in his family being denied life saving treatment.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #565
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,679 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    This is circulating widely on Reddit as a transcript of Luigi Mangione's manifesto. Apparently leaked by law enforcement to journalist Ken Klippenstein:

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  • #566
    j62
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944109#Comment_122944109

    agree

    At least it’s not dead kids in school shootings for once



  • #567
    NiceFella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122945129#Comment_122945129

    It's a silly comparison though. What has the backgrounds of either Thompson or Magione got to do with anything?

    Does Thompson coming from modest background absolve him of how he made his money?? Do we just say ah drug dealers come from rough beginnings so it's fine for them to peddle misery.

    Obviously Magione had absolutely no right to do what he did, but people figured out extremely quickly what the motive was.



  • #568
    PommieBast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122945134#Comment_122945134

    I doubt its authenticity. The "probably not much info" is not something someone in tech would say.



  • #569
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,372 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    United say that they're going to honour the CEO's memory by continuing their crusade against "unnecessary care" which I assume means continuing to f*ck over as many people as possible.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #570
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,291 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122945431#Comment_122945431

    Right cos they were really going to respond to the MURDER of their CEO by saying “You know what? The guy has a point. Let’s change the medical system profoundly and establish a non profit making system where everybody gets the care they need regardless of cost.”

    What planet is anyone on if he thinks the way to improve US healthcare is by murdering top execs?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • #571
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,931 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122944682#Comment_122944682

    Biden and Co. are one of the main reasons healthcare is what it is in the US.

    What did they do? Do you have examples?



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