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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Um, yes it is - let’s talk about the last year or two please, the timespan since this crisis has arisen

    I use the actual definition of significance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance relevant to this discussion, not my problem if you don’t understand the concept of significance in statistics

    I have no idea how it compares, but I’d wager a great deal that it’s better than 40% with a primary education. If you have anything to suggest otherwise I’d love to see it. Actually if you have anything whatsoever to back your idea that asylum seekers are in fact making a significant contribution to our construction sector I’d love to see it please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Why are you talking about statistical significance. From the article you shared…

    This technique for testing the statistical significance of results was developed in the early 20th century. The term significance does not imply importance here, and the term statistical significance is not the same as research significance, theoretical significance, or practical significance.

    Statistical significance is quite different from how the term is used in ordinary speech.

    In the context of this conversation statistical significance would allow that the impact of IPAs on the housing crisis was very, very minimal but just enough to be identifiable.

    Is that what you're now claiming?

    And why do you only want to talk about the last year or two? The OP was referring to the housing crisis and provided charts relating to the last ten years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Yes I’m using the term that actual statisticians use when sampling from populations to try and draw conclusions in relation to those populations like large groups of people as we are discussing here. You’re using the vernacular meaning. Glad to clear that up.

    No, that’s not what it means. Significance is a threshold, It’s either significant, or it’s not - you don’t get to add your own little addendums

    I want to talk about the last year or two because that’s the timespan of the crisis that is the subject of this thread?? Why do want to discuss what it was ten years ago before it became an issue?
    It’s because you want to try and minimise the apparent impact of the large RECENT increase in asylum seeking by diluting the data with the years before it became an issue
    Ha people can see exactly what you’re doing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Bacik would be awful as MOJ. We don’t need a champagne socialist in that role



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Won't happen thankfully, Darragh OBrien is being lined up for this by FF, and they want to have a Dept. of Home affairs or suchlike, move immigration away from Roddy's old dept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    But we're not sampling from populations here? We're talking about the size of one population in comparison to another, not whether some characteristic of the smaller population is identifiable in the larger.

    It just looks like a weird attempt to backtrack tbh. It's like handing my wife a 5euro voucher for her Christmas present and telling her I spent a 'significant' part of my present budget on her.

    As for your wanting to only discuss the last two years, how could you ignore the 8 or more other years of the housing crisis, if the point is to discuss capacity and cost of housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    What you are insinuating? Why are you adding the loaded term "anti-immigration parties" in to this discussion?

    Referendum on the Twenty-seventh Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2004 - Citizenship - Referendum Ireland

    The will of the people is often hard to deduce based on the wording of the amendment which is placed before them for approval.

    This amendment stopped automatic birth-right citizenship but included the Gotcha of "unless provided for by law" which is a common feature of amendment wordings these days which attempt to take the ownership out of the hands of the Citizens and in to the hands of politicians who have insinuated themselves in to positions of power. Bacik wishes to "legislate" her ideal world in to existence and the Constitution along with amendment will be no hinderance to her.

    Bacik has been deeply unpopular, rarely or barely struggling to get elected throughout her entire political career. She will not give a damn whether the majority agrees with her or not. She is one of the most dangerous people in the House.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    We quite literally are, the size of the asylum seekers population cohort this year is literally significant in relation to the size of the total net migration population. I can’t put it anymore simply.

    No it isn’t. What is your definition of significance please? What’s your arbitrary number at which something becomes significant?

    Because we’re discussing the impact of the asylum crisis which only arose in the last couple year on the pre-existing housing crisis? How can we relate a crisis that didn’t exist at the time to the housing crisis ten years ago?

    Anything on your point that asylum seekers are actually getting involved in construction and are building houses? You seem to keep forgetting to say anything about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,161 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    DOB is terrible in housing, hopefully not

    I think big Jim for Justice and Integration combined



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,023 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Final decisions on Syrian asylum applications paused

    Given what is going on in Syria at the moment and with Bashar al-Assad now gone, this decision by the Department of Justice makes sense. It follows on from yesterday where Britain, Germany, France, Italy and several other European countries said they would freeze all pending asylum requests from Syrians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Anyone is an improvement on McEntea, what's the chances of Peadar Tóibín being a minister?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,161 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Yes true about McEntee, I think Peadar would be good but I do not think FFG will go into government with SF and Aontu likely Labour or Independents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The belief that life will now be better there is pure illusion even Syrians are celebrating . This talk that they will return home laughable .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭golondrinas


    daughter of an asylum seeker. The father came here to make glass or something . Like a lot of current asylum seekers didn’t go to neighbouring country they could better identify with but came to Ireland where they know we can’t handle them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Fair enough . Was just responding to the narrative that she wouldn't know what she was doing. Preference for O Callaghan myself .

    Let FF take the blame from people when they fail to make a dent in our asylum figures and not smaller parties in government for a change .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,949 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I don't remember saying she was ..just that she is well qualified for it

    People have preferences for others but let's not tell lies about people's qualifications or not .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭tom23


    totally agree. Personally don’t think FF/FG will go in with Labour. And if they do Bacik won’t get the MOJ gig. That will be FF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭tom23


    Did Aontu not join the ‘Technical’ group or do I have that wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    What you will not get, of course, is some of what we might call the "pro IPA" posters on this thread railing against this new government position, even though it goes against everything they purport to stand for. As an observation, they tend to be very pro-Government, pro-established authority.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I voted no in that referendum, not because I supported unlimited birthright citizenship. I voted no because it gives the government of the day the right to change citizenship laws. I think that should be constitutionally protected.

    The will of the Irish people passed that referendum. The will of the Irish people elects a government. So any change to the law is the will of the Irish people. It’s bizarre to say an elected official implementing a constitutional law is subverting the will of the Irish people.

    If people didn’t realise what they were voting yes for, that’s tough. It was a clear choice.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,161 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I do not think so

    INDEPENDENT TDS MICHAEL Healy-Rae, Danny Healy-Rae, and Paul Gogarty have joined forces with Independent Ireland TDs to form an Independent Technical Group in the next Dáil.

    The group will include Independent Ireland TDs Michael Collins, Michael Fitzmaurice, Richard O’Donoghue, and Ken O’Flynn, as well as Independents Paul Gogarty, Michael Healy-Rae, and Danny Healy-Rae.

    Independent TDs often join technical groupings to increase their speaking time in the Dáil. Earlier this week, eight other Independent TDs formed the ‘Regional Group’.

    The eight TDs that have signed up to the Regional Group are Sean Canney, Marian Harkin, Barry Heneghan, Noel Grealish, Michael Lowry, Kevin Boxer Moran, Verona Murphy and Gillian Toole.

    These groupings will likely now also play a role in terms of communications with larger parties about the prospect of independents propping up a government.

    Leader of Independent Ireland, Michael Collins, said that the ‘Independent Technical Group’ is currently in discussions with other Independents who may join the grouping before the commencement of the next Dáil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    RTE won't like the Syrians applications paused .

    Theyll be all upset poor old RTE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    So just to be clear, are you claiming that I'm lying about your post that said up to 40% of AS/IPAs are illiterate or is it your post that said those with issues regarding our immigration policies are suffering from mental illness?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Nick Henderson on now isn't too happy about the decision



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note:

    Good afternoon.

    Could I please ask everyone to not quote MegamanBoo's posts for now? The user is currently on a break from the forum and won't be able to respond.

    Thank you.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Ireland had to do something there and then regarding women and their men entering ireland while the woman was in the last trimester. The floodgates were closed for a best part of a decade until the Politicians got the bright idea to flood the nation with lax approaches to asylum, work permits and immigration control. This representative democracy model is not respected by our politicians. They neither understand nor respect the views of the Citizens.

    The Irish generally don't see this. I have had friends who had to wait decades for citizenship because it isn't thrown around like confetti. I have friends whose aged parents aren't allowed stay until they can prove beyond doubt that they will be supported by their family and not the State. Welfare is much more modest and not open-ended. I've had friends who were told by the social welfare office they simply had to get a job(any job) or return to their E.U. country of origin because they were entitled to zilch here.

    When you have huge demographic problems(which Ireland very soon will have) the bleeding hearts get short shrift.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Indeed, something has to be done. I don’t agree this was the right thing to be done. But here we are.


    I’ve no idea what the rest of your post means. It’s a tad garbled.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    social welfare and immigration control in Ireland is not "normal" by the standards of the E.U. country in which I live.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    He's a lovely fella and his mummy is very proud of him. He led al nusra front which way back in 2013 was reportedly responsible for killing hundreds of innocent syrians

    The FBI liked him so much they offered a $10 million reward.

    https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/washingtondc/news/press-releases/up-to-10-million-reward-offered-for-information-on-the-leader-of-the-al-nusrah-front

    Hts was said to be financing terrorism overseas in 2023 with a recommendation to keep it on the terrorist list.

    As you say, a great bunch of terrorists, I mean lads



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