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Bogus Claims about me by Supervisor

  • 05-12-2024 01:16PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭


    I basically messed up last week at work and there's going to be an investigation into it. But the supervisor who got wind of this has fabricated two more claims about me, so now I've three cases to answer for. Upon being suspended I left work with a locker key attached to my personal key-ring… obviously without thinking anything of it. She didn't ask for it back, and every other staff member has one of these keys anyway. But she reported that I "refused" to hand back the locker key when asked.

    Also, there was one day that I didn't have any laboratory glasses on as I needed to quickly go through the lab, and for convenience I didn't bother. She pulled me on it, and I basically said that I'd wear them at all times in future. She said "because a manager might notice"… acting as if it was for my sake she was saying it. You'd think that would be the end of it. But then in the report from the manager, the claim was that I refused to put on my glasses in the lab when asked!! If she just had reported that I wasn't wearing them I'd get that, but to come up to me acting as if she was looking out for me, and then stab me in the back!?

    She's only been made supervisor a month ago, but she's acting like this already! I never got along with her, but I think she's probably just realised I'm down on my luck, and is trying to do me over completely. Although I'm only new in this company, I still have the right to make a grievance about her behaviour as per their policy, or at the very least have a sit down with her and a manager to get to the bottom of her lying. It is not enough to just have them say "oh don't worry about the other 2 claims, you're off the hook there". If it could be proven that she lied then she'd never be trusted again. I should be able to confront her about this, but if I did, then she might make claims that I threatened her.

    Any advice please?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Jesus, OP, have you ever actually had a job you haven't caused issues in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Is this the same employer you're going to the WRC about?

    Ask for a meeting and clearly make your points. Have a union rep there, if you have one.

    You seem to have a few misdemeanours against you in a very short time, if you're only new to the company. How she expressed the issues may not be to your liking but you don't seem to deny you did break protocols several times.

    Pull your horns in and discuss it with them in a calm orderly manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Hank the DJ


    2 things you actually admit you did, no matter how trivial, are not bogus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭hawley


    The two incidents, outside the main one, seem pretty minor. How long have you been working there? If you take a case against her, I couldn't see you winning. There's no record of her harassing you.

    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭NattyO


    The claims aren't "bogus" going by your description, you just disagree with how she reported them.

    With the greatest respect, you come across as someone who either doesn't think the rules apply to you, or who has trouble taking responsibility for your actions.

    There's a great saying, that may be worth having a think about:

    If you meet an assh0le in the morning, you met an assh0le. If you meet assh0les all day, you're the assh0le.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Will Graham


    it is bogus that i "refused to hand her back the key" because she didn't ask for it. The exact same thing probably would've happened to you! You'd just be okay about it?

    Post edited by Will Graham on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,885 ✭✭✭cml387


    My advice is keep your head down and try to learn from the mistakes you made that got you suspended.

    Given that you haven't been with the company for more than a few months it's quite an achievement to get suspended already.

    You are not in a strong position to make any complaints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Will Graham


    Well yeah, but do you not see that it's a bit twisted of her? She might be doing it for that exact reason… because I'm new.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    You really need to stop fixating on what she said and concentrate on the substantive issues of you messing up, as you put it, going home with a key which a suspended employee should surrender, and not wearing protective equipment when it was a prescribed procedure. How she worded things don't change the basic facts. You need to remain calm and explain that you don't recall being asked for the key or simply forget in the heat of the moment, but accept that a suspended employee should have handed it in. You clearly admit you didn't wear the lab glasses and being in a hurry or just passing briefly through isn't really a valid excuse. As a supervisor she would be remiss not to mention it in light of other errors you've made. As for the mess up that was sufficient to warrant a suspension, that's your real issue. This is what you need to focus on.

    Try your union for representation, but based on your other work dispute thread, I can't see them being overly enthusiastic.

    Stop making this about the Supervisor and start coming up with a contrite, honest, defence that doesn't involve irrelevant sidebars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭NattyO


    We don't know because we only have your word for that, and going by your previous posts, you are, at best, a "difficult" employee.

    See my quote above again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Will Graham




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    So your previous employer was a bast**d and your new one is too….

    Well based on all your posts, I'm getting the impression you could be a complicated person to have on a team and yes I could well believe that your supervisor is over stating the incidents with a view to making sure she gets shot of you!

    I think you need to have a serious chat with yourself about your attitude at work, if you don't want to be back here in a couple of months complaining about employer number three.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭NattyO


    There you go.

    Unless you go through an attitude readjustment, this will keep happening. As an employer, people with an attitude like yours are always on the "get rid at the first opportunity" list. You may think you are in the right, but that won't pay your bills. The fact that you brought negative attention to yourself immediately in this new job, after having similar trouble in your last job, says it all.

    By the sound of your posts, you are on the road to making yourself unemployable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Will Graham




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,335 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Having opened a thread asking for advice, have you actually read any that has been given?

    You were in the wrong, three times. Varying degrees of seriousness, it would appear - but nevertheless, you were in the wrong.

    Stop fixating on one aspect of one infringement, stop being so antagonistic, using terms like "bogus" will get you nowhere (and probably fired quicker).

    As others have said, you really need to have a look at your whole attitude in the workplace if your other posts are anything to go by - one or maybe two incidents may be coincidental, you seem to have developed quite a pattern, and in separate workplaces to boot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭youtheman


    OP, all the above constitutes 'formative feedback'. It's not to criticize you, but to hold up a mirror so that you will (hopefully) see your blind spot. I remember in a previous job, I have about my fourth or fifth supervisor and he took me aside one day and said "do you know there is such-and-such impression of you here (not good!)". All I could do was thank him for him honest feedback, and wonder why none of my previous employers has the balls to tell me. So you've been give the opportunity to change your behaviour. It's up to you whether you do this, or continue the 'woe is me' attitude!.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Op, when I was young I was told that if you met an @sshole in the morning you just met an @sshole.

    If you keep meeting @ssholes all day you are the @sshole.

    Maybe a piece of advice you could take on board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Start looking for a new job.

    If you're new there, presumably you're still on probation? Doesn't bode well that you will be kept on.

    OP, you have a history of work place issues. Maybe start looking inwards as well, as to why this keeps happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Will Graham


    The union rep said that the main claim against me isn't too severe, and that the worst that could happen would be that they'd extend my probation period a few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭SteM


    Why would you want to extend your probation if you feel your supervisor has it in for you? Start looking for something else asap. Sounds like you're a marked man there already.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭JVince


    You come across as an employee from hell.

    Unless you make changes, you will go from employer to employer and gradually find that you are "surplus to requirements" very quickly in each new job you take on.

    After a while, it becomes a noose around you neck and you will find it near impossible to gain good employment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    To be honest, I'm surprised that deliberately ignoring safety rules in the lab, simply because they are inconvenient, isn't an automatic end to your employment since you are in your probation period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭rustynutz


    You have 2 options here, option 1 - you can continue on your crusade that your supervisor is out to get you and go in all guns blazing about "bogus" claims against you, this route will likely end in you being fired. Also, you will learn nothing and are likely to make the same mistakes in your next job, and the one after that, until you are unemployable.

    Option 2 - look at the facts, you have been suspended during your probation period (this is not an easy thing to do), you have already admitted this was your mess up, you also breached health and safety protocol by walking through a lab without PPE, and failed to hand back your Locker key after being suspended. You have an opportunity here to look in the mirror, take responsibility for your actions, go into work and humbly apologise for your actions, and ensure you are less careless in future. This way you might keep your job, and if not, you will have learned something that you can bring with you to the next job, and hopefully not repeat the mistakes you have made with your last 2 employers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Will Graham


    If that were the case nobody would be left working in the lab because they'd all be fired. I see it happen at least twice a day… with supervisors doing it sometimes too.

    You're just trying to be a d1ck, aren't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Yeah you definitely seem like a well adjusted individual, it's totally your supervisors fault for everything. Enjoy the dole queue when you get there and maybe before you go find another job, take a few months to do something productive with yourself...like growing the **** up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    No, I'm not. But you seem to blame everyone else and not take any responsibility for your own actions.

    You have three claims against you in 6 months, and the breaching of safety protocols because you couldn't be bothered putting on glasses isnt even the most serious.

    The fact that everyone else does it has no bearing as they are not all on probation.

    If someone cant be bothered following safety protocols during their probation when they should be on their best behaviour, then i would be shocked if they are kept on. In my experience peoples adherence to the rules does not get better as they go, so if they are starting at a low point then they are an accident waiting to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Why would they "all be fired" when you were merely suspended?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭NattyO


    You really don't get it, do you?

    It doesn't matter what anyone else apparently gets away with. It doesn't matter what the supervisors do or don't do. You are an employee. When your employer, or a representative of your employer, tells you a rule applies to you, as long as that rule doesn't breach the law, then it applies to you, full stop. You don't get to pick and choose which rules apply to you, regardless of what anyone else does. This applies whether you are on probation or not, but most especially on probation.

    Until you realise this hard fact of life, you are effectively unemployable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Will Graham


    ask irelandrover… he said he'd be surprised if it's not an automatic end of employment!



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Your on Probation so everything you do is watched, stop bringing others into it, this is an issue with you and your employer and nobody else. You have even stated here you done these things so just wise up a little, take responsibility for your own actions and learn from them going forward.



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